From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote :
Barry, Humans are limited and conditioned beings. Enlightened beings who have understood Being have to show the rest of us in concrete words and deeds the experience of the unified field. Philosophy and its fancy words and ideas, for me, do not convey the real meaning. So, you would have to use discretion in concluding that the world's wisdom books are fiction. A person, who makes criticisms and conclusions without reasonable and logical basis, is a fool. But the bible and the gita are completely different books from different cultures and with different aims among the so-called wisdom of their gods. To cherry pick a few remarks as being some sort of Truth that all ancient religions share is stretching credulity a bit. They aint remotely similar. And as usual, the problem is really that the experiences the wise speak of are the same as the ones I have had but we differ in interpretation of what they mean. In the absence of any information beyond that which can be gained by their senses they created a worldview that I don't think matches up with reality. I've been there, tried it on for size and disagreed with their conclusions. John is still caught in the same fallacy that Buck is, the belief that subjective experience can ever be interpreted as objective proof of something. It's understandable that he would believe such a preposterous thing, because Maharishi taught exactly that, after all. But it's still nonsense. Subjective experience -- no matter how "exalted" -- is still JUST SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE. It is "proof" of nothing, and is *relevant* to NO ONE except the person having the experience. As you have suggested, WE have had such experiences, too. You, me, and Curtis have ALL had enlightenment experiences (as I remember). Curtis has had experiences that convinced him (at the time) of the existence of God. But we all understand that those experiences were what they were -- JUST SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCES. They don't "prove" anything, and they don't mean anything to anyone but us. John and Buck are still caught up in the Supreme Self Importance taught by Maharishi, that if you have such experiences, you're somehow "special," and you get to tell other people what "reality" is. Also, those other people are supposed to LISTEN, and praise you for telling them. (That's why Jimbo gets so outraged when nobody believes him.) All of this is bullshit, of course. Such experiences may have a value, but they don't really "mean" anything at all. And they certainly don't transform a human author of fiction into the God-inspired author of a "wisdom book." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : I really hate to be the person to have to explain this to you, JR, but the Bhagavad-Gita, the Old Testament, and the New Testament are all FICTION. You don't "win" philosophical discussions by invoking them, any more than if you had invoked the Harry Potter books. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, Yes, IMO consciousness is alive. The Bhagavad Gita has shown this when Arjuna asked Krishna to show his true self. And, Krishna showed a vision of infinite types of beings to disclose who He is. On the other hand, the Old Testament states that Yahweh is the "I AM Who AM". However, in the New Testament, Jesus is shown to be the embodiment of Consciousness in a human form. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : John, what you say brings up this question for me: is consciousness alive?Hmmm, or maybe better to ask: is Beingness alive? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence Share, It all depends on what you believe is the basis of the universe. If you believe that consciousness is the basis of the universe, it is likely that you would say biological intelligence is the more common way of development. This is because we know this happens on earth where humans exist. Non-biological intelligence implies that this is created by another type ofbeings--more likely humans or biological entities. I can see how a non-biological intelligence could be an advantage. For example, robots can direct and maintain the functions of a spaceship for centuries, without eating and sleeping like humans, until the destination is reached. In the distant future, humans could develop these intelligent robots to take human sperms and eggs to a nearby or distant star in the Milky Way. When an earthlike planet is reached or found, the robots can artificially inseminate the eggs with sperms to grow human beings who will populate or repopulate the new world. But if there is a faster way to get to the other worlds, then the assumptions would be different. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : John and salyavin, thanks, I enjoyed both these articles and thoroughly appreciate the concluding remarks:So, how do weprepare for something we know so little about? We do so "by continuingto do good science, but also by realizing that science is notmetaphysically neutral," concluded the conference host Steven Dick.He added: "We prepare by continuing to question our assumptions about the nature of life and intelligence." Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-alien-life.html#jCp From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-biological Intelligence ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : A SETI scientist states that this may be the most dominant intelligence in the cosmos. Somehow, it appears that scientists like him are missing something in their assessment about the capabilities of biological entities like human beings. It may be possible to communicate with ETs instantaneously with the human mind through mental telepathy I imagine there's a pretty good reason they don't consider things like that at scientific conferences. The fact that humans can't do telepathy is probably chief among them. This can be justified through the principle of quantum entanglement. Not quite as simple as that, but I'll bet anything it won't be used telepathically, communicating with entanglement would require very sophisticated equipment, you've got to separate and remove fundamental particles and move them about. It's a big job and I'm pretty sure that you need to have both particles in the same place to start with to know whether they are actually entangled or not. Trouble is, no one really knows what is happening during entanglement experiments. Can subatomic particles communicate faster than light - thus destroying our realist concept of space - or is there something we don't know about how they work? Perhaps the state of the particle pairs is determined before they are separated by some deeperprinciple we don't yet undertsand. If they can communicate faster than light than then how do we know from our perspective which event causes the other? Or is time an emergent phenomena that doesn't apply to the subatomic world? Etc etc. Very interesting subject though whatever it's practical uses end turn out to be. One thing is for sure if we could use it to communicate with aliens we can use it to communicate on Earth. 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