--- In [email protected], anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> No, I was not being sarcastic.
>
> --- In [email protected], t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], anon_astute_ff <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > When will Vaj ever learn that ego gratification is not the
> solution to
> > > spiritual insecurity and immaturity? What a sad, bitter little
> man.
> >
> > Hmm, you aren't being sarcastic here? I think he is honest in
one
> way,
> > he is a traditionalist, <snip>

There are apparently traditions where the teacher holds absolute
power over the student, to the point that they must test and confirm
each state that the student achieves, or strives to achieve.

Can't comment more on that becuase such a thing is unappealing to
me. Just have one thing to add, and that is that the sense of
liberation, of enlightenment, of realization, is so unmistakable,
that no outside confirmation is necessary.

So I can appreciate the need for this type of very structured
raising of consciousness right up until the instant of liberation,
if someone is so inclined. After liberation though, especially for
householders, it is completely unnecessary. What's the point?

The difference in perception both inside and out, before and after
liberation is so vast, so totally different, much more so than any
drug we can take, than any other experience we may have, that it is
truly like night and day, black and white, absolute.





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