--- In [email protected], johnlasher20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" <premanandpaul@> > wrote: > > > > The trouble with convenience processed foods is they all too often > > have a lot of the nutrients taken out of them, right? Well that's > > what you seem to be saying about convenience meditation, isn't it, > > that the ingredient that one needs for full health is not there? You > > might well be on to something, perhaps you could suggest how one > > might re-introduce the missing vitamins, so to speak? > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "mrsatva" <mrsatva@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > I am still sure that MMY is enlightened (to witch degree so ever) > > and > > > tries his best for his peoples. But as lots of (former) TMers I > > wonder > > > why none of his students/followers got enlightened and the majority > > > stopped practising because they didn't get anything good from it ? I > > > have two ideas about it and would like to hear (read) your opinion > > > about them: > > > > > > 1. In his attempt to make the teaching digestible for everyone > > he took > > > out the devotional part with maybe accentual for spiritual growth > > > > > > 2. Because the spiritual teaching has been in the hand and minds > > of > > > monks for centuries it got a form witch simply doesn't work for non > > > (traditional) monks. A bit like the group conciseness MMY wants to > > use > > > to group effects. > > > > > > TM cuts you of from your emotions. Maybe as a result of 2. But the > > > emotions are accentual for spiritual growth (1.) ?!? > > > > > > > I think the element which is missing in many is the intention to > surrender to the highest manifest as well as transcendent. For most > westerners TM is more a self improvement than a devotion. For Indians > the mantras are the energies of their Ishtadevatas or form of God. > This is not true for westerners who have a different conceptual way of > understanding God. This of course does not mean that westerners can't > do TM with the intention to surrender in devotion but many do it out > of ego rather than as a means of letting go of ego. > >>>>
Hi, I more or less agree with this thread with the following comments. I don't believe MMY is fully enlightened; but he is a very great Siddha with a very powerful mind and a powerul EGO. I have read several stories( by Amma ) about the great sage Vishwamitra and his problems with his great spiritual ego during the phase that he was called Maharishi. Maharishi Vishwamitra was doing fine when his eyes were closed and he was doing great austerities; But with eyes open he often cursed others and he even wanted to create another world more to his liking. He also wanted to kill the great sage Brahmarishi Vasishta because he of egoic jealousy. One day, Brahmarishi Vasishta melted Maharishi Vishwamitra's heart who instead of killing prostrated at his feet totally surrendering his EGO. Then, Brahmarishi Vasishta lifting Maharishi Vishwamitra up gave him a hug and said "NOW you are a Brahmarishi." If you notice, MMY 20 steps of ayurveda which includes TM does not iclude Love, Bhakti, Bhajans and SEVA( selfeless service ) all of which are the core of Amma's teachings by example of Her life. namasivaya, anatol To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
