--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 9/4/06 4:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > --- In [email protected] > >> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > , Rick Archer <groups@> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: > >>>> >>> > >>>>>> >>>>> As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear > >>>>>> >>>>> to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind > >>>>>> >>>>> of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm > >>>>>> >>>>> sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, > >>>>>> >>>>> at any rate, why he posted the quote. > >>>> >>> > >>> >> I think it¹s one of the most significant things ever posted to > >>> >> FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot > >>> >> one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus > >>> >> is a real bombshell. > >> > > >> > However, as Alex noted (see above), the quote doesn't > >> > appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not > >> > the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring > >> > to. > >> > > What kind was he referring to? Tabla teachers and such. Indians > refer to those as gurus too.
Mmm, you really think he was including Tabla teachers? I assume he was referring to the kind of guru he himself was. > >> > In any case, I don't remember having heard anything > >> > about MMY having said it wasn't OK to switch teachers > >> > (to use a more general term). If MMY has said you should > >> > stick with your first teacher for the rest of your life, > >> > I'd be interested to know about it. > > > I don¹t think he has, and can think of an instance or two where he > said the opposite, but TMO policy doesn¹t reflect that. In what way does TMO policy not reflect it? > >> > I do recall something to the effect that it wasn't good > >> > to have one foot in each of two boats, which I understood > >> > to mean you shouldn't have two teachers at once. But > >> > Guru Dev doesn't say anything, at least in this quote, > >> > about its being OK to have two teachers at once. > > > Most gurus say similar things, but some don¹t feel threatened by > their students visiting other saints/gurus and even send them to > them. They don¹t consider this a 2nd boat. Just a little > extracurricular enrichment. Right. I'd say MMY feeling personally threatened (if he does) by TMers visiting other saints/gurus-- or thinking dispassionately that it wasn't a good idea, for that matter--is a different issue entirely, and not what Guru Dev was addressing. > >> > Many TB¹s here might have taken his ³women > >>> >> can¹t be gurus² admonition as gospeltruth, and might have used it > >>> >> to belittle the lady saints who come through. > >> > > >> > "Many TBs here"?? Just how many people on this group > >> > do you imagine are such fanatics that they'd do such > >> > a thing? Are you getting paranoid like Barry and > >> > seeing TBs under the bed? Has anybody here made such > >> > a comment, or is that just your fantasy? > > > By ³here² I meant Fairfield, not FFL. Visiting gurus is a > contentious issue here Oh, sorry. I misread. > >> > (Personally, I don't see why you can't be devoted > >> > to a teacher and still not think he or she is right > >> > about everything.) > > > I agree. I think fanatics see their teacher/guru/religious > founder as an absolute authority on everything, but more > spiritually mature people tend to realize that gurus are > human beings who may often be expressing personal opinions > based on upbringing, cultural conditioning, etc. Many people > in FF and some on this list don¹t fit into the latter category. (And yet Barry rather vehemently put me in the "fanatic" category with his Eric Hoffer quotes.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
