--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > > It is interesting to notice how the majority
> of
> > > people
> > > > do fine with TM and the TM-siddhis program.
> > > However
> > > > there has always been a certain percentage of
> > > people
> > > > in the TMO who become psychologically unstable
> > > either
> > > > after starting TM or the TM-siddhis program. I
> > > > personally know three who became psychotic
> after
> > > the
> > > > siddhis program and one who became psychotic
> after
> > > > long rounding on his TTC in Fuggi.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And what were those people like before they
> started
> > > TM?
> > > 
> > > TM is a self-development technique.  Naturally,
> it
> > > is going to 
> > > attract a demographic that is,
> disproportionately,
> > > made up of those 
> > > on the fringe; that is, unstables yearning to
> > > improve their lives.
> > > 
> > > So it is no wonder that you're going to get the
> > > psychotics.
> > 
> > Of course. This has always been a problem whenever
> a
> > large group of unscreened people take some type of
> a
> > self-development program. The majority are fine,
> but
> > there are always some with a predisposition to
> > psychosis. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> And with TM, even most of them do jsut fine as long
> as there is SOME level of supervision. 
> E.G, getting someone to take a few minutes extra
> silence at the end of TM if they feel 
> anxioius or upset, rather than jumping up and
> running around in circles screaming "I'm 
> having an anxiety attack!!!"
> 
> [speaking from personal experience BTW, and not
> concerning myself]

     I think you hit the nail on the head here. There
is no supervision of people during long rounding or
courses for psychological problems. First of all,
nobody is trained to recognized decompensation of an
ego and a breakdown of defense mechanisms. And if this
is recognized the person is sent home from the course
or institutionalized and the TMO washes there hands of
them. Not good stuff at all. Decompensating people
need professional treatment by trained people with
clinical experience. Levi's death at MIU was
contributed by the incompetance of a psychologist (I
hope the Iowa Board of Psychology or whomever is
responsible for licensure in Iowa brought appropriate
sanctions against this fool) failing to understand and
take appropriate measures with a floridly psychotic
student. This is not hindsight, but simple clinical
experience recognizing when a fellow psychologist does
not understand what they are doing and totally out of
their depth. What interferes here is not only lack of
clinical experience with psychotics but also the
unfortunate cult agenda that believes, a priori, that
no ill can come about through any TM program-period.
So people in need of psychological help (another TMO
forbidden topic) are not recognized to be in need of
help and by the time it becomes obvious, it's almost
too late. 




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