--- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], hermandan0 <no_reply@> wrote: <snip> > > While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of > > "effort" on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in > > calling it "subtle effort" becaue of that doing. To > > misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator > > I once encountered who asked "What happens if you sit there > > for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come?" Duh. > > I would swear that I saw a tape in which somebody asked MMY that > very thing and he said something to the effect of, well, then > that's just the way it is, there's nothing to be done. (Though > every teacher or checker I later told that to said he couldn't > have said that.) I think the person's mantra wasn't coming > without an amount of effort that seemed to be too much.
I can't imagine why they would say he hadn't said that. In my understanding, there are only two choices: You start the mantra, or you don't meditate. Wasn't that what he was pointing out? > I've used to have that "problem" myself a > lot, and I would end up sometimes sitting there for most of 20 > minutes without, it seemed, even a glimmer of a mantra. Could it have been less than a glimmer, perhaps? What would have happened had you started the mantra at whatever level it seemed to need to be started at-- i.e., a gross level if necessary--and then let it do whatever it wanted to do? > Also, it seems to me that the contradictory nature of the > meditation is an essential element of it. Yes, indeed it is, IMNSHO, *the* essential element. That's what, paradoxically, ultimately makes it effortless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
