--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This type of recognition or entering the teachers mandala are an > important part of dzogchen/mahasandhi transmission in Tibetan > Buddhism. In fact it is the beginning of that pathless path. The > odd thing is non-dual recognition is in a very real sense, beyond > the time and place you "receive" it. I had had formal transmission > of the enlightened state from a number of high lamas before I > actually had recognition but once the recognition occurred I > realized it had always been going on. And actually the first time > recognition dawned, it was outside the presence of the teacher who > had transmitted it. > Now it's obvious as I even approach any of these teachers (even from > many miles away) that there is a unified presence around some > teachers that makes the waking dimension into a waking mandala. And > of course then you become your own mandala, it just naturally > occurs.
Nicely said. > I see Darshan in the shaktipat sense as something entirely > different. A different path altogether really. Me, too. There is an element of occult manipulation of energy about it that is not present in the more silent mandala-like presence of teachers such as the ones you are speaking about. In other words, I believe that it's certainly *possible* to zap someone with woo-woo rays, but that to me is at a much different level of teaching than the phenomena you mentioned. Some teachers can do both, but I've found that a lot of the teachers who are widely regarded as enlightened by those who get a "hit" in their presence are in my estimation just good at the shaktipat thang. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
