Karen,

What hardware buildout do you have exactly? Are you using ISA modems or 
network cards to connect to the internet? What peripherals do you have 
connectedto your system? Do you have a local area network? How are you 
obtaining your hardware?

I'm quite interested in your hardware buildout.

Bob Cochran
Greenbelt, Maryland, USA



On 11/11/12 9:42 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> very interesting points, basically translating into what she is willing to
> try.
> the reference to 286 made me laugh out loud, my own desktop is a Pentium 3
> with 784 meg of memory but  I had mine built for me.
> The Dell laptop  inspirum 7500 if memory serves was built around 2000 I
> think.
> One can avoid windows with ease if willing to work at it.  I have
> personally since 1988...and it has been worth it to me believe me!
> Dos means never having to do what is popular smiles.
>
> Linux is out for her too, again she does not want to invest in what she
> does not understand...too many very bad windows times and she likes dos so
> she says.
> her windows experience's have been disastrous, up to running xp, I cannot
> imagine going through 18 computers in three years.
>    It is funny you mentioned programming as she wants to learn dos
> programming so as to improve what is available, perhaps creating a dos
> multitasking structure that will do what she desires might be a good
> motivation.
> I have to agree with the bug gs in Dr dos's emm386,   they would sneeze at
> the computer and the program would find a general protection error lol.
> Thanks for your input,
> Karen
>
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012, Rugxulo wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Karen Lewellen
>> <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote:
>>> the answer is no then, thanks.
>> Beware of simple answers. They may be right most of the time, but
>> there are often workarounds and dark corners.
>>
>>> As I said in my reply to John, Eleni wants to leave windows behind for a
>>> variety of reasons.
>> In this day and age, that's very difficult. Unless you're an amateur
>> sysadmin or have such tech support nearby, it's very hard to do
>> anything outside of the generic end-user (consumer) mindset.
>>
>> Windows is everywhere. While it's not my favorite, it's quite popular,
>> so finding solutions to problems is much easier. To a lesser extent,
>> Mac OS X and Linux are popular too (but mostly among multimedia or
>> tech savvy people, respectively). But getting peripherals (modems,
>> routers, printers) to work in a non-Windows PC is (often) a pain, if
>> not (sometimes) impossible.
>>
>>> She will have to decide what is more important for her,
>>> multitasking, as indeed Dr dos 7.03  includes as a part of its structure,
>>> or a large hard drive, which cannot be achieved with it.
>> You can dual boot, either two DOSes (on two separate partitions:
>> FAT16, FAT32) or DOS compatibles (OS/2, Windows) or
>> Linux+DOSEMU+DOSBox or whatever. It isn't just "either or" here.
>>
>>> Personally I have no problem doing multitasking in dos as I define it at
>>> least.  I can say run my word processor and go on the Internet at the same
>>> time without issue.
>> Most common DOSes do not support multitasking very well, at least not
>> for 100% of all apps like Linux and Windows (etc.) do. Even DR-DOS
>> 7.03 has some annoying bugs (DR-EMM386 always loaded) and limitations
>> (64 MB max per task). Nothing is perfect.
>>
>> You could also look into RDOS or SanOS (cmdline Win32 console-only
>> clone), but I'm very skeptical.
>>
>>> Having never personally used windows, and having made sure over the
>>> years that my computers were custom built to manage the things I desire in
>>> dos, more than that has never been needful for me.
>>> thanks for the no answer on  freedos and multitasking though.
>> FreeDOS does "mostly" (?) support "standard" (286) mode in Win 3.1.
>> That's not really multitasking, just task swapping, IIRC. (That is due
>> to obscure bugs, lack of interest, the proprietary nature of Windows,
>> and its old age.) No idea if DOSSHELL or DR's TASKMGR would work in
>> FreeDOS, maybe (with the right drivers, e.g. DR-EMM386). It shouldn't
>> care about FAT32 (and I don't know why it would).
>>
>> Dunno about Desqview or Desqview/X in FreeDOS, maybe the latter needs
>> QEMM386, dunno if that works. You could try, though, if desperate.
>>
>> DR-DOS has better Win 3.1 support, but no other DOS besides MS-DOS 7
>> will work with Win9x. With OS/2, you can allegedly run various DOSes
>> in their "(M)DOS box", but I don't know if that would be acceptable or
>> not (even eCS 2.0, latest version last I checked).
>>
>> Linux+DOSEMU is fairly good for common things, but even that requires
>> a fairly bulky Linux install. Or at least nobody seems to have slimmed
>> it down, so your best bet for minimal would maybe? be Debian (no X11).
>>
>> So, basically, multitasking means using a DOS subsystem atop another
>> host OS. You could maybe even try a slim hypervisor (or minimal Linux
>> distro with VirtualBox bundled, though I forget its name) and boot DOS
>> from there (VT-X heavily preferred!) or QEMU or similar. (DOSBox is
>> only for games, so I don't recommend that.)
>>
>> P.S. Your friend would have to be very savvy to "program" multitasking
>> atop DOS, e.g. usually that means coroutines or cooperative
>> multitasking. Various solutions for those kinds of things exist for
>> DOS, but that is somewhat unpopular (though better than nothing!), so
>> that could be useful, in theory. But that's more for programmers (and
>> those who want "lean and mean") than end users.
>>
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