thanks
At 09:52 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote:
>http://www.empowermentzone.com/saysetup.exe
>
>Stay well
>
>Jacob Kruger
>Blind Biker
>Skype: BlindZA
>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "shaun everiss" <shau...@xtra.co.nz>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:43 PM
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
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>>weird where do you get the say tools from? I have most of the empowermentzone 
>>tools thanks to top tech tidbits but hmmm.
>>At 06:32 a.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote:
>>>The one thing is I've played around with Jamal Masry's SayTools where you 
>>>can get a program to talk using their screenreaders voice, or sapi if you 
>>>want to.
>>>
>>>Other joke is thought about creating a game using actual jaws scripts, but, 
>>>for example, to generate a random number, you'd have to make a call to an 
>>>external DLL or something.
>>>
>>>Stay well
>>>
>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>Blind Biker
>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Peterson" 
>>><bpeterson2...@cableone.net>
>>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:44 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use 
>>>>Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to 
>>>>mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I 
>>>>would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right 
>>>>from the outset so as not to seem like I was targetting one specific group 
>>>>of users.
>>>>Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
>>>>Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <thomasward1...@gmail.com>
>>>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:32 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Bryan,
>>>>>Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes  API 
>>>>>support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood 
>>>>>until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we 
>>>>>want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW 
>>>>>API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. 
>>>>>However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws 
>>>>>users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of 
>>>>>how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user 
>>>>>base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the 
>>>>>games speech output.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access 
>>>>>technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could 
>>>>>be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore 
>>>>>the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing 
>>>>>accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or 
>>>>>speech software that may or may not be present.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bryan Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>The only company I've seen make allownaces is BSC Games, and that wasn't 
>>>>>>even a game. It was actually one of their Blindsoftware products, that 
>>>>>>Day-by-day Professional which offers support for Window-Eyes. But I still 
>>>>>>don't think they realize how well Window-Eyes meshes with games. I 
>>>>>>remember I forgot to unload WIndow-Eyes, which as I said I still do out 
>>>>>>of habbit, and I played a full game of Classic Pipe and didn't even 
>>>>>>realize Window-Eyes was still running until I'd quit Pipe. That was a 
>>>>>>welcome surprise. So I'm trying to unload Window-Eyes less when I play 
>>>>>>most audio games.
>>>>>>Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of 
>>>>>>pizza?
>>>>>>Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
>>>>>
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