Well Tom, I've not really heard of or played that tomb rader game you
mention (with ledge grabbing it rather sounds like prince of persia), ----
but this is indeed what I'm talking about.
I have been considering this issue ever sinse I first playeed syperliam.
The principle problem is how to show a ledge which is within jumping or
falling distance to the right or left, but above or below the characters'
initial position, while stil showing what may be horizontally to the right
or left simultaniously.
Some sort of verbal mapping might work, ---- but this would not show the
initial ledge position, and having to constantly look at verbal maps might
become tedius and break up game flow. the best idea I could think of, was
having a "ledge indicator" sound similar to the turn indicators in fp games.
I thought possibly the sound's pitch could alter higher or lower for higher
or lower ledges, and only respond to ledges immediately within jumping range
of your character. Thus, for the mario example of three stacked ledges, you
are walking to the right and hear a high pitched sound from the right
You've not recieved a crumble ledge warning, so you know you can continue
walking right, however you've just heard the indicator sound, so know there
is a ledge above you to jump to. You jump up, ---- and find another ledge
When coming down, the process is the same, but with a lower pitched sound.
By limiting the "view" essentially only to those ledges you could jump or
fall to, ---- ie, those in your immediate area, you thus limit
complexity, ---- afterall, you can find out what's above the current ledge
by jumping up there and don't really need it indicated.
The only issue that occurred to me for a game like mota, was how to fit this
into the theme of the game. I would suggest utilizing wind sounds of
differing pitches as indicators, ----- however wind is already used to
indicate pit falls.
Perhaps a beeping sound of various pitches could be used similar to those
which indicate weapon pickups (afterall, it'd make sense for dr. carter to
have a sonar tracker with her)k, ---- or maybe a creaking sound for the
crumbling temple supports.
Alternately, you could change or remove the pit sound, and use wind as ledge
As for complexity, I think provided that the ledge indicator was limited to
only showing one ledge above you and a safe floor below, ie, one high and
one low sound, it wouldn't cause too much complexity issues, though would
add considderably to the exploration possibilities of the game, ---- not to
mention be a nice step in the right direction for future audio side
Beware the grue!
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