Hello,

I've moderated mailing lists in the past and one thing that's in my
personal opinion a good thing to have is a thick skin. As a moderator
in my opinion you have to accept an opinion or position that is
different from yours even though you may whole heartedly disagree with
it and never want to see it onlist.

For example, the topic of Visual Basic, yes it's a no longer supported
language by Microsoft as Thomas pointed out, but in the back of his
mind or the undertones of his message was he thinking I wish no one
would bring up this language ever again? We can't know what he was
thinking and this is purely an example, but the moderator's job is not
to delve out opinions and punish or moderate those who disagree. I
read in a posting earlier this morning that a disagreement went
private, and moderation was threatened against a list member and
carried out. I can't remember who that member was, but frankly you
should have taken that one to the list owner slash other moderators
and asked for a majority ruling on it. I say that because it was
unfair to the user.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that as a former list
moderator I always thought to have two electronic email personas, one
the moderator and under a different address than the user. My reason
for this is quite simple, a user can say things that a moderator
should have to step on and quash. For example, a user insults another
user, which I agree this did not happen initially but as the
discussion went back and forth frustrations raged that was very
apparent. As a moderator that user who insulted the other one should
be stopped in the way appropriate to the list's stated policies. Now
turn that around, say it was the moderator who for reasons unknown
insulted a user. What happens, because it's a moderator what's the
user do? If he fires back he's moderated or punished. This is not
condusive to the role of a moderator.

Like other users before me have stated this has stunned me! I can't
think of a word stronger for it. I hope that this level of discourse
will not continue.

Dave.
PS, to the remaining moderators can you please implement some kind of
outbound content scanner on your email server so it traps and
quarantines swearing messages? In my opinion again, I seem to be
qualifying a lot of my statements, but I felt those were totally out
of line.


On 7/20/11, Richard Claridge <richard.claridg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> I cannot believe what has gone on here, and really how blinded people have
> been.
> Many of the responses in the last couple of hours since Thomas left I
> just can't understand. I think people need to reread what has
> happened.
> The person I feel most sorry for is Che. From what I understand and
> have read this all kicked off because of Thomas having his opinion on
> programming languages, which he messaged about in terms that were
> misunderstood by many. To be honest I do think the way Thomas writes
> can very often seem like he is coming across as superior because of
> his college training in programming and years of experience etc. I
> know he offers lots of people advice and fully respect this, but he
> does preach a lot as well. So Che wrote back expressing his
> displeasure at Thomas's words and his way of writing. Now if people
> read Che's message or messages back they will hopefully see that
> nowhere in this did he personally attack Thomas, just the way Thomas
> wrote and how it came across to him. Then Thomas basically flew off
> the handle and started swaring and personally insulting Che, which I
> thought was disgusting. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we lose
> another developer here in Che because of Thomas's reaction and others
> later support for him and open hostilitytowards Che.
> I think Thomas is really a great guy who has been put under pressure
> by people too much with regards to bringing out MOTA etc. I do believe
> this community has itself to blaim a lot for winding up developers and
> expecting too much. But Thomas's reaction was so over the top and out
> of order from a list member, but a moderator as well, well frankly its
> not on.
> I think its a real shame that MOTA is not going to be worked on for a
> while at least, and we could lose it forever, as I like the game and
> was looking forward to it. Thomas has always informed the community
> too much in a way of what has been going on with MOTA and taking too
> many suggestions etc on board in my opinion. Making the game how
> people wanted it not how he wanted it. This has been a lot of his
> problem, and he has lost the excitment and enjoyment of creating this
> game because of this.
> I think Darren in a way has got it spot on about him bringing up a
> load of stuff in his last message or two, Thomas I mean, about his
> marriage etc, this is unnecessary and is intentionally or not, an
> attempt to put the blaim on certain people other than himself.
> Che, you never personaly insulted Thomas, and I hope otheres realise
> this. I hope you stay with us and don't take Thomas's disgusting words
> and personal attacks to heart.
> Damien I think as a moderator you are being too biast, Thomas is a
> good guy yes, but he has been totally out of order here regardless of
> which buttons have been pushed. I am a personal friend of yours and
> don't wantt to fall out over this but I think you've got it wrong, an
> you should be discouraging people from attacking Che whether by name
> or not, and be as objective as you possibly can.
> I will stop now, for now, I am upset by this whole thing, and hope
> people will really look at the entire situation rather than just
> taking sides with the developer who was here first. I think many of
> you have got it wrong.
> Cheers
> Richard
>
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