"Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote: > I thought I would share, as my thinking about removing community containers > here in Jakarta, XML et al resonates well this.
Personally, I just think its mainly a matter of packaging. By definination, we are all trying to share the same ASF culture, though each codebase will have its own flavor. Lumping everything together under one heading tends to confuse human beings. I think the projects, like XML and Jakarta, make for useful headings, mainly because that how people conceptualize entities like this. I think both XML and Java/Jakarta make for fine headings. This is overlap between them, but that happens. Moving forward, I might suggest that both Projects ask themselves what type of products they want to carry on their homepage. Should XML be just XML-based, or XML and document-based. Does it confuse people to find product like Batik listed there? Should Jakarta products all have strong ties to server-side technologies? Or is just being Java good enough? If we think of XML as a document-based technology, then it could make sense to see projects like Alexandria, Jetspeed, and Slide under XML -- especially since XML already hosts SOAP and RPC-XML. Likewise, it could also make sense for Batik, FOP, and Xang to be under the Jakarta umbrella. And, given an XML-Commons, should not the Digester live there, with other XML tools? Realistically, many of these placements have been the coincidence of where a committer was already involved. It's easier to bring things up on a list to which you are already subscribed. So we do. So two concrete actions I would suggest for now are: (1) That we petition the ASF to change our charter and remove the word "server", so what we are simply charged with providing production quality solutions on the Java platform. [I'd link to our charter, but can't find the ASF minutes any more, and don't know where else it was published.] (2) That we ask XML if they would like to merge our general lists, so we can more easily discuss matters like this. I'm happy to have POI here, but would really like to know how XML feels about it. Alternatively, perhaps we might consider something like a public "apache-projects" list, where all the PMCs would meet and discuss issues like this, and conduct the formal votes, and let the general lists revert back to a chat room. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Building Java web applications with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
