On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:22, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> On 1/6/02 8:06 AM, "Ted Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote:
> >> I thought I would share, as my thinking about removing community
> >> containers here in Jakarta, XML et al resonates well this.
> >
> > Personally, I just think its mainly a matter of packaging. By
> > definination, we are all trying to share the same ASF culture, though
> > each codebase will have its own flavor.
>
> If you really believe this, then the right thing is to get rid of *all*
> containers :
>
> Jakarta + HTTPD + XML + TCL + PHP + APR + Perl
I have no idea about them but in the case of Jakarta-XML there is
considerable cross-talk. All XML projects use some jakarta technologies and
most (all?) jakarta projects use XML technologies.
I doubt that could be said about TCL and Perl or PHP and APR etc.
> > Lumping everything together under one heading tends to confuse human
> > beings. I think the projects, like XML and Jakarta, make for useful
> > headings, mainly because that how people conceptualize entities like
> > this.
>
> And there is no difference in culture?
No different than what we already have here. I have to think in very
different ways when I contribute to ant as opposed to Avalon because they
have a very different philosophy.
> I don't know the answer, but watching the discussion about XML lately, I
> would think that there *are* differences, so there must be *something* to
> it.
What was the specific point that made you think XML is somehow different from
jakarta?
> > (1) That we petition the ASF to change our charter and remove the word
> > "server", so what we are simply charged with providing production
> > quality solutions on the Java platform.
+1
> I would like to see some opinions on the idea of working to form another
> apache subproject focused on the client side and if anyone thinks that
> makes sense.
Maybe we could just start having sub-catgories within Jakarta. So basically
Jakarta is still the top level project but we have a software map underneath
it that categorizes project (ie tools, xml parserns, servers, whatever).
> > (2) That we ask XML if they would like to merge our general lists, so we
> > can more easily discuss matters like this. I'm happy to have POI here,
> > but would really like to know how XML feels about it.
> >
> > Alternatively, perhaps we might consider something like a public
> > "apache-projects" list, where all the PMCs would meet and discuss issues
> > like this, and conduct the formal votes, and let the general lists
> > revert back to a chat room.
I can't see the PHP people being too interested in that :) The only people
who may be interested being XML peeps ... which kinda supports the stance
that they aren't all that different from jakarta
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Cheers,
Pete
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