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> I believe that the subcultures exist mainly at the subproject level. The
> PROJECTS, like many states and provinces are, simply granfalloons.
  ^^^^^^^^
> 
> http://www.kcoyle.net/granfalloons.html

-T.


Ted Husted wrote:
> 
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote:
> >
> > On 1/6/02 8:06 AM, "Ted Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote:
> > >> I thought I would share, as my thinking about removing community containers
> > >> here in Jakarta, XML et al resonates well this.
> > >
> > > Personally, I just think its mainly a matter of packaging. By
> > > definination, we are all trying to share the same ASF culture, though
> > > each codebase will have its own flavor.
> >
> > If you really believe this, then the right thing is to get rid of *all*
> > containers :
> >
> >  Jakarta +  HTTPD + XML + TCL + PHP + APR + Perl
> 
> I believe that the subcultures exist mainly at the subproject level. The
> subprojects, like many states and provinces are, simply granfalloons.
> 
> http://www.kcoyle.net/granfalloons.html
> 
> I believe the projects are useful as an organizational entity, but have
> little impact on the culture of a subproject. If the two were at
> varience, the subproject would fork. People do not join the "project",
> they join the subproject. The projects are happenstance, but they are
> useful as an organizational convenience.
> 
> I also believe that the PMCs themselves should be seen as an
> organizational entity, and conversations like this should be taking
> place on a public apache-projects list that all PMCs would be invited to
> join and use for PMC business.
> 
> It is very difficult to have a reasonable conversation about POI, or
> RPC-XML, or the others that have come up, when the other PMCs are not
> part of the discussion.
> 
> -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA.
> -- Building Java web applications with Struts.
> -- Tel +1 585 737-3463.
> -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/

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