I don't know any of this stuff about Apache refusing a JSR. As I'm seeing it from my end, Jakarta looks to centralize good technologies, but only if a good community of developers and users are part of the deal. I suspect that this "rejecting a JSR" may come down to something like Sun trying to dump half-working code in Jakarta's lap and expecting folks to rise up and make it work.
In terms of web apps and MVC ... well, everyone has their own approach and own definition of MVC, or pull-MVC, or whatever. I do some of my work in Struts (at my day job), but obviously, love Tapestry. Anyway, saying something is a "web app framework" doesn't really say too much, especially under the shadow of the Servlet API. You could just as easily clump Java, Objective-C and C++ as "C-like languages" and complain that people should chose one and back it. Aint gonna happen -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/proposals/tapestry > -----Original Message----- > From: Paulo Eduardo Azevedo Silveira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:07 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Jakarta: too many similar projects? > > > Ok, maybe this is the right place and time. > > I ve seen Howard talking about Tapestry, then I decided to > take a better look at it. At the first look, it seems as a > small front controller and a template engine. What I cant > understand is why does Jakarta keep getting new M or > V or C subprojects that almost compete with each other, > instead concentrating forces in a single one. > > In JCP I ve seen Apache refusing a JSR (JSF if I am not > wrong) because it would go directly "against" Struts. But > Jakarta is doing this to itself! > > I can understand having OJB even with Torque, its very > different and it will be JDO. What I dont get is Tapestry > AND Velocity AND EL AND Struts taglib AND maybe something > that I dont know. > > Sorry if I didnt get what is the real Jakarta proposal. And > Howard, I am really not complaining about Tapestry, it > is just one example (I reallylike the idea of removing all > links and URLs from templates). I really dont want a > flame. > > thanks > > Paulo > > > > > > On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:41:56 -0500, "Howard M. Lewis Ship" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu : > > > De: "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Data: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:41:56 -0500 > > Para: "'Jakarta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Assunto: RE: Jakarta-POI 1.10.0-dev released > > > > I'm looking for a bit of advice. > > > > People keep asking me "how many people are using Tapestry" > ... and I > > honestly have no idea. Insufficient feedback. > > > > Do you have a way of determining the user base of POI? Any > guidelines > > based on downloads? > > > > -- > > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components > > http://jakarta.apache.org/proposals/tapestry > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > Paulo Silveira ICQ 5142673 > Grupo de Usuários Java > http://www.guj.com.br/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
