On 12/17/06, Roland Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Avik,
> I'd have been happy seeing POI move to a TLP. However, some of the
> comments in this thread seem to preclude that possibility either. I
> think his leaves the community between a rock and a hard place ... I
> dont want us to be subsumed as a commons project
I don't think that the level at which POI resides will make any
difference. I admit that at the beginning of this thread and
after Andy's first responses I also thought "hey, let's get them
promoted to TLP and we're finally rid of these discussions in
Jakarta". I've since had time to reconsider and realize that
this is not a solution. And actually I don't think that it is
even an option. POI is not running the Apache way. Promoting
it to TLP or "hiding" it in commons will not change anything.
If it were a TLP, you'd be having basically the same discussions
directly with the board. Do you think they'll look more kindly
on failure to follow the established Apache procedures? If we
made a proposal to promote POI now, I would expect the board
to reject it and tell us "make POI work in Jakarta before you
promote it to TLP".
I can't speak for the others - but that's what I was saying in the
email I was writing at the same time as you :)
A release can go wrong all right. That this wasn't detected by
the POI community itself is reason for worry. But the kind of
things that went wrong, like files being in the wrong place or
missing is even more reason for worry. The copyright statements
on the POI web site indicate that the project has been around
since 2002. Does that mean that in 4 years nobody cared to write
a build process that generates release jars conforming to
Apache standards?
I bet a lot of Jakarta does not conform - it's only when a release
happens that we think about bringing it up to date. This is not a
problem of the POI community but a problem of the Jakarta community
structure and for the PMC. It's the PMC's responsibility to make sure
these releases are right and not the POI community.
A plus point of POI as a TLP is that then it becomes the POI
community's responsibility far more (as I imagine there would be far
more of 1:1 ratio of committers to PMC there).
Let's not go over the top here - the release itself isn't that bad and
it's got the important things right (license, notice). Having gone and
looked at them, I'm not overly worried about the two particular
releases themselves, just that it's clear that information is not
getting out to POI and that it urgently needs to somehow.
Hen
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