> Problems with the MSU derived UAH TLT were noted some time before the > papers in SCIENCE.
Not as far as I know. S&C claimed that their results showed that global warming was not happening. It did not. It only showed that the models were wrong. I made the same mistake as everyone else and thought that S&C were a couple of charlatans. But when I realised that their results agreed with what I was finding I realised my mistake. > The simple fact is that S & C have repeatedly > claimed that their product was without flaw for more than 15 years, > claims which have been shown to be incorrect. Of course they said their product had no flaws. They did not know of any until M&W pointed them out at the end of those 15 years. > It would seem that you > want to believe the S & C results, without any comment to refute the > claims by others that there were errors. Sorry, that's not what is > called science. Take a look at what Mears and Wentz at RSS do to > produce their MSU analysis. I appreciate their providing this much > detail: > > http://www.ssmi.com/data/msu/support/Mears_and_Wentz_TLT_submitted.pdf S&C provided M&W with details of all their methods. Why don't you appreciate the worlk od S&C? Can't you see that you are only supporting M&W because they are telling you what you want to hear? > The fact that changes in atmospheric transmission within the CO2 bands > have been measured as CO2 has increased wouldn't faze you at all, I > suppose. If it was greater than what I expect then it certainly would. There will be a small increase in global warming due to bandwidth broadening, but since the main CO2 band is saturated the effect will be small. But if you have details I would be very interested to see them. > >Horace-> Benedict de Saussure said as much in his letter to the Journal > >de Paris 17th April 1784: > > > "One could imagine some complicated system of reflections maybe and of > > repeated radiations, that multiply the effect of the solar rays > > endlessly; but I utterly rejected that idea when it presented itself > > to my mind, because the immortal Newton proved that bodies are warmed > > by the light that they absorb, and not by that which they transmit or > > that they reflect." > > Which says next to nothing about the absorption/emission of energy by > gases. Gases are not solid bodies. They do not follow the same > physics of black body thermal emissions. De Saussure was writing about the greenhouse effect, which he discovered 40 years before Fourier's paper where he reported de Saussure's work. > > Enough, I must get back to translating de Saussure. > > Perhaps your time might be better spent working with some older texts > where the only test of veracity is belief. The Bible or the Koran > come to mind. I saw a recent story suggesting that the Koran doesn't > give a true story of Mohammad. Now there's a challenge for you. > Watch your back... William accuses me of being a conspiracy theorist and you want me to mix it with Islamic extremists. I better had watch my back :-( Cheers, Alastair. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Global Change ("globalchange") newsgroup. Global Change is a public, moderated venue for discussion of science, technology, economics and policy dimensions of global environmental change. Posts will be admitted to the list if and only if any moderator finds the submission to be constructive and/or interesting, on topic, and not gratuitously rude. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/globalchange -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
