> No, S+C made some very big errors with MSU. Gavin didn't fix the RS. > You're descending into conspiracy theory here; stop before its too > late
It was claimed in one of a trio of papers to Science that there were large errors in S&C's MSU results but Christy would only accept one - a small one. S&C know most about the MSUs so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Gavin's name appears on one of those papers - the one with 20 authors, as it does in a more recent paper with 17 authors. See http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/10/tropical-tropopshere-iii (What is your collective noun for a group of scientists who round on their colleagues, trying to defeat scientific arguments by weight of numbers, if not "crew". Gang perhaps :-?) The point is that Gavin and his crew still cannot land the knockout blow - because they are wrong. The upper troposphere will not warm to the extent the models predict because they are based on radiative forcing, and that is not the way greenhouse effect works. Horace- Benedict de Saussure said as much in his letter to the Journal de Paris 17th April 1784: "One could imagine some complicated system of reflections maybe and of repeated radiations, that multiply the effect of the solar rays endlessly; but I utterly rejected that idea when it presented itself to my mind, because the immortal Newton proved that bodies are warmed by the light that they absorb, and not by that which they transmit or that they reflect." Enough, I must get back to translating de Saussure. Cheers, Alastair. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Global Change ("globalchange") newsgroup. Global Change is a public, moderated venue for discussion of science, technology, economics and policy dimensions of global environmental change. Posts will be admitted to the list if and only if any moderator finds the submission to be constructive and/or interesting, on topic, and not gratuitously rude. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/globalchange -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
