dear dileep
sugathakumaris intervention in mavoor makes u call her an
activist. can u just say about her intervention in the case of a dalit
women who said that she was raped in abhaya .kindly make ur
theoretical remarks on it
On 26 Sep, 17:16, "Dileep Raj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Sudeep,
>
> My main concern is that the real issue of people involved
> in the struggle will be forgotten, and it will become labelled as one
> of those "romantic" protests to "save environment".
>
> Let me remind you that this is not the first time that
> such concerns are voiced in connection with environmental struggles in
> India.
> Amirkhan's [ and Arundhathi's] intervention in Narmada issue at a
> particular juncture
> as well as Achuthanandan's intervention in Plachimada evoked similar feeling
> among
> the sympathisers. Opinion is still devided both within and out of
> those struggling people.
>
> I personally consider V S Achuthanandan and Sugathakumari as
> mere participants in an ongoing struggle . It is the criminal blindness of
> Malayalam media toward civil society struggles which
> resisit being incorporated into left/ right [ now leftVS / left Pinarayi]
> logic that necessitates / make visible the interventions of such 'stars'.
> Just look into the long history of resistence Athirappalli and see the
> efforts
> which kept the issue live and facilitated the interventions of
> 'stars'. Instead of criticising the media , why should we
> pour our moral outrage on VS or Sugathakumari?
> Isn't it the helplessness of those who are struggling for years
> which prompt them to rely on 'stars' ? Do you think that
> it is due to lack of 'bodhavalkkaranam' that they opt this way?
> Are you not insulting those activists by not considering them as equals?
>
> Now having said that , I strongly doubt whether your accusations against
> Sugathakumari will stand. Do anybody here have a record of issues
> in which she intervened during past ten years and details as to the the
> mode of intervention?
> I remember her presence in Mavoor. No, it was not a 'romantic '
> one. She deserve to be called 'activist ' like so many others who
> participated in it.
>
> I also disagree with her standpoints on emergency and Hindutwa .
>
> But I am against VS Achuthanandan's positions on so many issues
>
> including Mavoor in the past. Everybody here seems to be happy in traditional
> left 's
>
> newfouond environment premam [ its not hijacking but historic victory!!].
>
> It ofcourse is the victory of Athirappalli struggle that they are able to
>
> persuade Sugathakumari and many of us make our position public at this point
> of time.
>
> Let me make a [serious] correction on my previous statement on Ranjith.
>
> I wanted Anivar to neglect his moralistic / consciously agressive remarks.
> Not
>
> his all interventions if he really want to avoid discussion deviating from
> issues.
>
> On 9/26/07, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > hi sudeep,
>
> > NO. discussion here is about political correctness only. and about the
> > eligibility of sugathakumari to support the struggle.
>
> > all of us (hopefully) share the worries of this issue from relatively safe
> > location, as dileep said.
>
> > based on supreme court's observation of gujarath govt's failure to stop
> > anti-muslim riot and many reports of modi govt's active support to it
> > make him entitled to be called 'criminal'. a free investigation and legal
> > process wud put him in prison.
>
> > On 9/26/07, Sudeep K S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Dear Salim,
>
> > > We are not talking about having political correctness in one's
> > > bedroom. We are talking about a possible change in the way the
> > > struggle of people of Athirappilly will be presented to the society,
> > > and a possible change in direction of the protests.
>
> > > And it is also not just about someone voluntarily extending support to
> > > the movement. When those who are involved in the movement invite
> > > someone to extend support, it has a different meaning.
>
> > > Please go through my mail once again and tell us whether you share my
> > > concern/worry in this particular issue, if you don't mind. You can all
> > > attack Ranjit after that or alongside.
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > -sudeep
>
> > > PS: I would like to know which court has named Modi a criminal-- when
> > > you say "a criminal in legal terms". Or if you mean something else by
> > > that, please explain.
>
> > > On 9/26/07, salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > is it like no celebrity should support any people's struggle unless
> > > they 've
> > > > a 'clean' biography of political correctness even in her/his bedroom?
>
> > > > modi is a criminal in legal term itself. so comparing sugathakumari
> > > with him
> > > > is not viable.
>
> > > > what about 'real' people who come up to celebrity level thru the
> > > struggle
> > > > like rashida bee, champa devi, mailamma etc.? do we need to run after
> > > them
> > > > also with the lens of morality-check?
>
> > > > isnt' it stopping the proposed athirapally project primary concern? or
> > > a
> > > > comprehensive revolution to solve all kinds of political incorrectness
> > > and
> > > > moral issues?
>
> > > > On 9/26/07, Sudeep K S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear Anivar, Santhosh, Anil, Raju, Murali, Prasanth, Dileep and
> > > others,
>
> > > > > It is true that Ranju did not substantiate his concerns well. I have
> > > > > had problems with that style and have tried to communicate that to
> > > > > him.
>
> > > > > But I am afraid that with almost everyone else jumping on him and
> > > > > accusing him of "talking of people rather than issues", we are
> > > > > deviating from the real concerns, much more than Ranju did.
>
> > > > > I believe ranju has a point and there is reason for concern when
> > > > > someone like Sugathakumari is invited to visit Athirappalli and to
> > > > > "declare solidarity for the
> > > > > protests". My main concern is that the real issue of people involved
> > > > > in the struggle will be forgotten, and it will become labelled as
> > > one
> > > > > of those "romantic" protests to "save environment". (Like how the
> > > "CSE
> > > > > report" helped in labeling all protests against Colas as something
> > > > > against the pesticide content.)
>
> > > > > I say so because that is the way Sugathakumari has dealt with other
> > > > > issues related to environment. In a very naive "hug the trees,
> > > > > protect animals" mode, and dangerously apolitical.
>
> > > > > Regards,
>
> > > > > -sudeep
>
> > > > > On 9/24/07, Anivar Aravind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Renjit, The amount of hate in your mail does not benefit the
> > > struggle in
> > > > > > athirappilly.
> > > > > > You have to prove your assumptions before dumping hate on her
>
> > > > > > Ranjit Ranjit wrote:
> > > > > > > to anil
>
> > > > > > > why should we let them (sugata kinda people) live at people's
> > > cost?
>
> > > > > > Do you have any proof of it?
>
> > > > > > > who is afraid of Sugatakumari>
>
> > > > > > That is offtopic for this list
>
> > > > > > > why mallu media protectng her ?
>
> > > > > > At first You have to prove mallu media is protecting her . If it
> > > is so
> > > > > > it may be a good topic for research.
> > > > > > > why mallu green activists blind to her tricks?
>
> > > > > > You have to prove
> > > > > > 1. she have tricks
> > > > > > 2. Mallu activists are blinds ( Happy to know that you are not in
> > > that
> > > > > > list )
> > > > > > 3 Why question only comes after that
>
> > > > > > Temporarily You are under moderation now. The discussions must be
> > > on
> > > > > > issues, not people
>
> > > > > > Anivar
>
> --
> Dileep R I thuravoor
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