Is your problem with the State using violence or using unlawful or
unconstitutional violence?
If it is the first, I can't agree with you. The state has and only the State
has the normative right to use force against non-state actors (and
state-actors, if the need be), the application of which is circumscribed by
the Constitution, of course. That I agree with you if it is the second is
evident from the above. What I disagree with is that, while there is of
course, the possibility, or probability of misuse of authority, that is no
excuse for shrinking from using the authority.

About the 'solution' suggested by Puniyani et al., there are two very good
responses in the Acorn blog which I post here, as I can't express it any
more succinctly:

(The Rational Fool)

*I agree that there is a danger of due process being compromised by the
authorities - "TADA ke andar band kar doonga". Potential misuse of
authority, however, cannot be an excuse for no exercise of authority,
resulting in the breakdown of law and order.*

*In a pluralistic democracy, there are institutions in place to check this
tendency to misuse authority. Judicial oversight is obviously one of them.
India has a functioning judiciary that is, in my telescopic view, fairly
impartial and wise, particularly the Supreme Court. *

*The will of the people is heard through the parliament, the legislatures,
and their committees, that are responsible for the strengthening of the
existing laws and the passage of new laws, if necessary, to ensure the
integrity of the process. These institutions are not perfect, but in this
context, are more likely to err on the side of inaction than excesses.*

*And then, there are the non-governmental watch dogs such as the Press, the
Amnesty International, the Arundhati Roys, and the Amartya Sens. I don't see
the need to give these NGO's teeth through extra-constitutional committees
as suggested by the IHRO, though. Giving them authority with no
accountability for their "social audit" would be a mistake. At best, the
bureaucracy'd be further bloated, adding another layer for influence
peddling, and enhancing the income (to use your words) of the retired
sexta-septua-octo-genarians at the tax-payers' expense. Paraphrasing the
Queen in Lewis Carroll's **Through the Looking Glass, the professionals will
be left to run faster and faster, just to keep in the same place!*
(Rohit)

*"A high-powered committee that could review such investigations similar to
what the IHRO letter proposes is not a very bad idea. Could be constituted
with sitting / retired judges, ex-police officers etc. on the panel along
with the 'human rights' activists"*

*Jai, I hope you read the letter carefully. What they are demanding is an
extra-constitutional authority which would ensure only the "guilty" are
punished. Sorry. But it is the courts which are supposed to decide to who is
guilty or not. It cannot be outsourced to a committee however well meaning
it might be. (Not for a minute though I believe Puniyani et al. are well
meaning.)*

*Sure, you can argue that courts are not perfect. But that is an argument in
favor of improving the oversight mechanism rather than appointing a
super-committee. At the very least, even if such a body is appointed, the
Supreme Court is quite likely (and quite rightly) to throw it out.*

Best regards,
Murali

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 4:15 PM, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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