look at lalit batra's article in seminar(sez-special).i am not saying about any particular struggle like chengara. --- salimtk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> we've seen recently some civil society initiatives > in solidarity with > Chengara struggle. branding them of middle class > aspirations seems to me not > fair. > > On 5/17/08, C.K. Vishwanath > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > many studies point out that the new civil society > > politics represents the aspirations of the middle > > class and sidelining the life aspirations of the > > subaltern section of the society.the resident > welfare > > associations are particularly dominating in urban > > areas which are an outright anti-subltern > minset.it > > can be seen in urban areas very clearly(civil > society > > based politics vs the subltern politics) > > --- Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > but, somebody imagines the 'absolute' justice > > > derived from the > > > constitution and advocates for the flawless > police/ > > > military actions > > > to maintain the law and order rejecting all > civil > > > society initiatives to > > > observe the accountability of the state, has > clear > > > dominant class-race > > > politics. > > > > > > Where is it implied that there is no space for > civil > > > society initiatives? > > > The discussion was about a particular > suggestion, > > > which is redundant and > > > even dangerous, considering the politics behind > it. > > > > > > At any rate, why is it assumed that 'civil > society > > > initiatives' are immune > > > to corrupting influences, compared to > constitutional > > > institutions? Democracy > > > to a large extend depends on the unelected (but > > > certainly not unaccountable) > > > too: > > > > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2734392.cms > > > > > > * The fundamental mark of a democracy is not > > > elections but an institutional > > > framework that lays down the rights of the > people > > > and rules of political > > > engagement, and cannot be trampled on by the > ruling > > > government. The > > > framework is typically a Constitution. In many > > > countries, Constitutions are > > > mere pieces of paper, ignored by rulers. In a > true > > > democracy like India, the > > > Constitution is actually enforced.* > > > It is in the enforcement part of it that civil > > > society initiatives become > > > important. Constitutional law however, is > > > non-negotiable. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Murali > > > > > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:55 PM, salimtk > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > 'decent', 'peaceful' and slow moving life is > > > always a desire of no rigid > > > > class-caste references. it sure is a harmless > > > desire also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to > tell > > > people what they don't > > > want to hear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
