Hey all, What I've found over the years is that the closer to college I was the more points I felt the training was worth. As I have gotten older I have come to the conclusion that my friends and I probably didn't have as many "points" in skills as we thought while we were in school. I suspect this trend is caused by my greater experience in the world coupled with the skill degradation as what I did learn at the time fades from memory.
Any more I tend to look at the hours of training and use that as a guide. The grade received in the class is really irrelevant in that simply measures the school/teachers perception of your competence with the subject rather than how much you learned from the subject. So using the 100 hours of skilled instruction and focused learning = 1cp and most college/universities (sorry to those of you outside of North America - we don't usually distinguish between the two unlike the rest of the world) offer an average of 15 hours per week with a 16-18 week long semester then that would result in about 2.5 character points worth of training a semester or 5 cp a year. I personally feel this is a bit generous because it assumes some seriously focused training on the students part and I would probably feel tempted to reduce this to 2cp a semester or 4 a year for all but the most dedicated students out there. I know semester hours don't actually reflect the amount of work done by the student, however it does actually correlate pretty well to the amount of *instruction* time from the teacher. Labs and practices often take many more hours per week than the semester hours listed, but very little of that is time being spent learning new ideas from an instructor - rather it is refining and reinforcing ideas already taught. So for a typical 2 year associates degree I would expect 4 semesters of training or around 8cp split between several skills inside and outside the trained profession (probably 4-6 cp in the major related skills and 2-4cp outside). However I would also expect a point or two in hobby/entertainment/extracurricular skills to be learned during this time as well. For a 4 year (or five year as is more common these days) bachelors degree, that would be 8 semesters or 16cp of skills split inside and outside the major related skills (probably 8-10 cp in the major related skills and 6-8 in out of major skills - although more focused colleges may skew this ratio). I would not really count the 5th year of training for this degree simply because it is still theoretically optional for most degrees - and using this year probably meant that the student wasn't completely focused on studies. In the case of a 5-year bachelors degree I would probably increase the number of expected hobby/extracurricular skill points a couple. For a 4-year student I would expect probably 2-4 points of hobby skills. For the more advanced degrees, these build on the bachelors degree skill, usually with more focus. Typically a grad student has 6 to 12 hours of instructed time a semester with much more time focus on teaching others, working on their own project, and or writing a thesis. A typical masters is two years of study while a typical doctors is 3 to 4 years of study. So a typical Masters degree would add another 4-5 points in their major related field with probably another 2 points split between Teaching, Writing, and Research skills. A typical Doctors degree would instead be an additional 7-10 cp over their undergrad training with another 4 points split between Teaching, Writing, and Research skills. This is getting pretty long so I guess I'll summarize with a quick table of what I would recommend (IMHO) Associates - 8 skill points + 2 hobby points Bachelor's - 16 skill points + 3 hobby points Masters - 20 skill points + 3 hobby points + 2 points split into Teaching, Writing, and Research Doctors - 24 skill points + 3 hobby points + 4 points split into Teaching, Writing, and Research I hope this helps, Clint Silent Service <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/2007 12:55 PM Please respond to The GURPSnet mailing list <[email protected]> To [email protected] cc Subject [gurps] College Degrees Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 03/14/2007 Retention Category: G90 - General Matters/Administration Okay I come with a odd question. That I'm not seeing in my GURPS books, so if I'm just not seeing it please help. What skill lvl should = to the following College Degree Associate Degree Bach Degree Masters Degree Doctorary Degree We were looking: Associate Degree = IQ Bach Degree = IQ+2 Masters Degree = IQ+4 Doctorary Degree = IQ+6 But wonder if anyone had better guidelines. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ GurpsNet-L mailing list <[email protected]> http://mail.sjgames.com/mailman/listinfo/gurpsnet-l _______________________________________________ GurpsNet-L mailing list <[email protected]> http://mail.sjgames.com/mailman/listinfo/gurpsnet-l
