Hehehe, Yes, also, add State Farm to the list of companies that limit Visually Impaired employees and contractors to using JFW.
Regards.. Joe Lanier -----Original Message----- From: stan littrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:21 PM To: Cory Samaha; 'Rick Harmon'; 'Angelo Ercolamento'; 'Joe Lanier'; 'gw-info gwmicro' Subject: Re: I'm scared I would agree with everything that you have said in your post. While GW Micro has said nothing about the JFW bashing, it ismportant to point out that they have to watch everything that they say because of the lawsuit. Further more, I was sent a post from a job poster that basically said that nonJFW users need not apply for a certain job from a major nationwide company. I don't like seeing that kind of approach. While I think that people need to have a choice of screen readers, I also realize that people need to realize that there is a choice. By the way, it involved tripple A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Samaha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Rick Harmon'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Angelo Ercolamento'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Joe Lanier'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'gw-info gwmicro'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: RE: I'm scared > "It's kind of sad to see some of the Jaws bashing go on here and the > fact that the GW staff allows it to go on without saying a word." > > I should remind you that GW Micro has a very hands off approach to > this list. They don't admonish every user for every off topic message. Why? > Because as quickly as there is an off topic thread posted, it peters > out in a day or so and things get back on track. Responding to every > user who bashes another product or who posts off topic messages takes > away from time on Window-Eyes development. As long as we're comparing > apples and oranges, Freedom Scientific doesn't even have a list like > this. What I mean is they don't have a mailing list sponsored by the > company that is constantly monitored by developers of Jaws. > > The issue I have is not with the Jaws software itself, as it is > relatively stable and responsive. The issue I have is with the > company that now develops it. When HJ was still around, products had > more of an equal opportunity to compete. The people in charge were > people who depended on the software they develop, and had a general > concern for the blind community. I don't know how valid the place > marker lawsuit is, but if it is anything like the Serotek lawsuit it > is frivolous and, while I have no way to prove it it would seem that > Freedom is doing whatever they can to set other adaptive tech > companies back a few steps, to distract attention away from the real > issues. Sound familiar? We need real change we can believe in! The > Freedom Scientific approach is typical politics and I cannot, will not > support a company that promotes these types of actions in such a small > field such as the adaptive technology field. It is too small of a > market to play these types of games. This is just one of the reasons > I am a very proud supporter of Window-Eyes and GW Micro. > > Finally to Angelo, you can't always make a final decision based on > threads you read on a mailing list. Before you decide, you should at > least get a hold of a WE 7.0 demo and test drive it. If there are > outstanding issues from the 6.x days, get a hold of the GW Micro > support department. They are extremely responsive. We may not like > giving up our computers and sending them off to GW Micro, but > sometimes this is the only way they can fix a problem that is unique > to only a few users. It is frustrating, but such is life with > technology in general, not just adaptive tech and definitely not just > with Window-Eyes. Thanks for reading! > > --Cory > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Harmon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:20 PM > To: Angelo Ercolamento; Joe Lanier; 'gw-info gwmicro' > Subject: Re: I'm scared > > I know this will not go over here very well but I'm going to speak up > anyway. Being Both A Jaws user and a Window Eyes user, I don't think > Jaws is nearly as bad as some here make it out to be. I'll grant you > their support isn't always great. But Jaws is quite stable and I > rarely have any crashes of the program here. I've used Window Eyes 7 > for a bit here and find it to be stable as well. Eloquence is more > sluggish than it is with Jaws but I also understand that this is a new > synthesizer for GW and their still working on it. > > It's kind of sad to see some of the Jaws bashing go on here and the > fact that the GW staff allows it to go on without saying a word. On > the lists that I run, I do not permit bashing of Window Eyes or any other readers. > I > know there are both Jaws and Window Eyes fanatics out there that swear > their > > product is better than everyone else's. The fact is that each screen > reader > > has it's strengths and weaknesses. > > I use both products for different things. I prefer Jaws and don't go > out of > > my way to bash Window Eyes users just because I think Jaws is better. > > I wish people on this list that bash Jaws would stop doing so and > respect everyones right to choose their screen reader of choice > without being harassed for it. > > Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angelo Ercolamento" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Joe Lanier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'gw-info gwmicro'" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: I'm scared > > > smile! your funny, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Lanier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Angelo Ercolamento'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'gw-info gwmicro'" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: RE: I'm scared > > >> Hi, >> >> Sounds like his mind is made up. Can't please all of the people all >> of the time. Perhapse, once he gets really burned by thatother >> company, he will come back. >> >> >> Regards.. Joe Lanier >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Angelo Ercolamento [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:04 PM >> To: gw-info gwmicro >> Subject: Fw: I'm scared >> >>> Hi Mike, for me 5.5 was the last good working version of we. 6.0 and >>> 6.1 introduced many problems on the web, and many editing problems >>> in all Microsoft products. I guess just not so very happy with we >>> any more, with the 150 upgrade cost of 6.0/6.1 and the cost of this >>> 1 for a product that just isn't very good and now not so stable >>> anymore I can't justify it Angelo >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Pietruk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Angelo Ercolamento" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Cc: "Darren Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Terri Pannett'" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'GW Micro'" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: I'm scared >>> >>> >>>> Angelo >>>> >>>> Well, I can understand the hessitancy with 7.0 given numerous >>>> comments, but why go back to 5.5. >>>> And, as for 7.0, it seems that clean installs and updated scripts >>>> have reduced the number of problems reported. >>>> 7.0 will work fine for 99.999% of users in the near term. >>>> >>>> >>>> My relationship with God begins with trust. >>>> It also continues in trust. >>>> >>>> Pastor Mark Cummmins, First Baptist church of Ocala, sermon, >>>> 09/14/08 http://wm.thegospel.com/ocala/080914_drcummins.wmv >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature database 3474 (20080926) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 3474 (20080926) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >> sender only. 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