VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the message
we released today about it.

- Alfred

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch

Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen
about
11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in
late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"?

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch

If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you
consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-)

I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can post
here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once their
lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some mouthy
employee posts, then they have such policies :)

I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several
Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence,
and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually
contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For a
while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for
another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here for
a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost a lot
of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of silence
that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I say we are
very gratefull for your presence here, and all you contribute.

And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know is
what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none of us
have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things like how
many programmers you have, what they work on, what their plans are
priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many problems here
and we come away from these discussions frustrated and angry because
Valve won't tell us what is going on.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch


> This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting
> of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company
> subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to
> dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is also
> no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and egalitarian
> structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of projects, I
> just also happen to participate in this list).
>
> - Alfred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham
> Robinson
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch
>
> Alfred,
>
> I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say
> thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you
> say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they?
> Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the
> messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with some

> form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information.
>
> * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different
> emails.
>
> Graham
>
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today.
>>
>> - Alfred
>
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