So "Poor admins" will include all good servers... Which dumbass made this website?
> http://tf2app.com/blacklist/ > > 2010/1/7 Shane Arnold <clontar...@iinet.net.au> > >> But *you* are not *everyone*. It only takes one malicious/incorrect >> entry to start screwing things up. >> >> On 7/01/2010 10:42 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: >> > If you have a centralized blacklist that people trust, maintain it and >> > verify submitted servers to prevent abuse, I think it's better than not >> > having a blacklist at all. >> > >> > This is also why I would only blacklist malicious servers, it's not too >> > difficult to verify malicious servers. >> > >> > - voogru. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Don Williams >> > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:33 AM >> > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available >> > >> > That's the damn truth.. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Peter Powell >> > Sent: 2010-01-07 9:12 AM >> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available >> > >> > The issue with allowing people to import blocklists is that they will >> > rush on Google and use the first blocklist they find. That blocklist >> > will most likely be full of servers that $RANDOM_LUSER added to get >> > back >> > at $SERVER_OWNER for banning them for mic spamming. >> > >> > ~Peter Powell >> > >> > Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: >> > >> >> Yeah I saw that, but generally I support the idea of a centralized >> >> blacklist. >> >> >> >> But only with really malicious servers. >> >> >> >> - voogru. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> >> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >> DontWannaName! >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:36 PM >> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available >> >> >> >> Hey look Voogru, you are on that list too for running 24+ max slots >> >> lol >> :P >> >> 24+ max players is part of the game now so that makes little sense... >> >> >> >> 67.213.213.107voogru.com24+ Max Players >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Matt Hoffman >> >> <lord.matt.hoff...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> There's already http://tf2app.com/blacklist/ which is an active list. >> I >> >>> believe it is designed for Peer Guardian/Peer Block/etc, so I second >> the >> >>> option to import IP's and not have it be formatted. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald< >> >>> voo...@voogru.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> The issue with the fake "bot" pings would probably have become more >> >>>> of >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> an >> >> >> >> >> >>>> issue now that bots are becoming more available. Malicious server >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> operators >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> could disguise the valve tf2 bots as real players. >> >>>> >> >>>> Combine that with fake players in queries and you have one more >> problem >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> to >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> deal with. >> >>>> >> >>>> I've seen some of these servers actually disable the status command >> >>>> so >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> you >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> can't see their "BOT" steamids as well. >> >>>> >> >>>> With the creation of blacklists hopefully some people come up with a >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> decent >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> blacklist. I would have liked to see the blacklist option be able to >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> import >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> IP's from a website (even if it's just a txt file on the website) >> >>>> like >> >>>> PeerGuardian, perhaps it can be in a future update. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -voogru >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> >>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Dislexsick >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 6:44 PM >> >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available >> >>>> >> >>>> The update states it is people changing the word BOT in the ping >> column >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> on >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> the scoreboard... >> >>>> >> >>>> This does not address fake player counts, a far more widespread and >> >>>> malicious tactic imo. >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers, >> >>>> >> >>>> Joshua Bost >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: Andy C<grossk...@flotgaming.net> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2010 09:37 >> >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> >>>> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available >> >>>> >> >>>> The bot issue you are refering to has to do with server admins >> >>>> running >> >>>> "fake >> >>>> clients" plugins. These report more players in the server than there >> >>>> actually is. Apparently Valve has come up with bots that actually >> >>>> play >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> the >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> game, just like in L4D/L4D2. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Josh Bost<dislexs...@dislexsick.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> "Tuned scoreboard logic to guard against malicious server operators >> >>>>> spoofing >> >>>>> bot pings to hide the "BOT" tag." >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As a follower of the SPUF I have seen threads about servers with >> >>>>> bots >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> with >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> simulated pings, one just yesterday, in-fact. After reading this, >> >>>>> the consensus seemed to be that although some people felt 'ripped >> off' >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> it >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> made a better experience for a few people. After reading about it >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> was >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> curious, so I done a quick google search and sure enough there was >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> single >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> plugin with something like 3 replies on the alliedmods forums. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I don't really understand - Clearly this was not a completely >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> widespread >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> issue, and calling the server owners malicious is a little bit >> >>>>> wrong >> I >> >>>>> think. Personally, I wouldn't mind a server with a few bots as >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> hosting >> >> >> >> >> >>> a >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> server locally, even with a fairly beefy CPU (Core2 Q9550) my game >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> grinds >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> to a screeching halt with 15 bots (9fps ftw). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Anyway, since this is a controversial topic I realize this is not >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> going >> >> >> >> >> >>>> to >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> change, as it is for 'the better of the community' but really, I >> still >> >>>>> think >> >>>>> people are going to find a way around; I also think Valve would >> >>>>> have >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> been >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> better off spending their time fixing a *real* problem, such as >> >>>>> fake >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> client >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> counts - after all bots still contribute to the game. >> >>>>> (For the record I don't even host a TF2 server [I used to help run >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> one, >> >> >> >> >> >>>> now >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> I have a L4D2 server], so my points are not coming from a bias pov) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Josh Bost >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Jason Ruymen< >> jas...@valvesoftware.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> A required update for Team Fortress 2 is now available. Please >> >>>>>> run >> >>>>>> hldsupdatetool to receive the update. The specific change >> >>>>>> include: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Server Browser (for TF2 and DoD:S) >> >>>>>> - Added a client-side server blacklist: >> >>>>>> - Supports blacklisting of specific servers, all servers on >> >>>>>> an >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>> IP, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> all servers on a class C range. >> >>>>>> - Saves the server list to a file, and has an Import button >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> allow >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>> easy sharing (cfg\server_blacklist.txt) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Balance changes: >> >>>>>> - Reduced the health penalty on The Sandman. >> >>>>>> - The Force-A-Nature knockback on target now: >> >>>>>> - Only applies to hits that deal more than 30 damage and >> >>>>>> are >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> close >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> range. >> >>>>>> - Factors in the firer's angle of attack when determining >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> knockback direction. >> >>>>>> - Has less of an effect on grounded targets. >> >>>>>> - The Dead Ringer now: >> >>>>>> - Reduces cloak to 40% when uncloaking early. >> >>>>>> - Has a 35% cap on the amount of cloak it can gain from an >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >> ammo >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> pack. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> - Has a quieter de-cloak sound. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Changes / Fixes: >> >>>>>> - Fixed a performance& stability issue with AMD processors. >> >>>>>> - Improved the stability of the game server -> item backend >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>> connection >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>>> archives, >> >>>> please visit: >> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>>> archives, >> >>>> please visit: >> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> >>> archives, >> >>> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> please visit: >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> >> >> > please visit: >> > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
