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On 17 Jul 2009, at 16:37, Mike Zimmermann <[email protected]> wrote: > Why do I copy and paste the same message 5 times? > Why do I copy and paste the same message 5 times? > Why do I copy and paste the same message 5 times? > Why do I copy and paste the same message 5 times? > Why do I copy and paste the same message 5 times? > > -Mike > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Ronny Schedel <i...@ronny- > schedel.de>wrote: > >> >> We talk about Counter-Strike, not CSS. So, why the server was >> running fine >> before this update? >> Why a TF2 server is running fine on the same machine with time >> drifts and >> showing the message? >> Why a CSS server is running fine on the same machine with time >> drifts and >> showing the message? >> Why a DOD:S server is running fine on the same machine with time >> drifts and >> showing the message? >> Why a L4D server is running fine on the same machine with time >> drifts and >> showing the message? >> Why a COD4 server is running fine on the same machine with time >> drifts? >> >> Could it be a problem with the CS 1.6 update? >> >> >>> You are missing the point. Clock drift is not just "the time is >>> wrong". >>> The "clock" is just a timing mechanism for the kernel, and when >>> this is >>> changed drastically (1 second) it can do all sorts of weird >>> things, in >>> your case locking up some resource/clock-intensive software (a >>> high-tickrate CSS server). >>> >>> Just because an application freezes doesn't mean it's the >>> application >>> with the problem. There is more to an operating system than point >>> and >>> click. >>> >>> _______________________________________________________ >>> >>> Shane Arnold - [email protected] >>> >>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a >>> horseshoe, the >>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. For >>> want of >> a >>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an undelivered >>> message the war was lost." >>> >>> >>> >>> Ronny Schedel wrote: >>>> If hlds would work in this way, it would be a serious design flaw. >>>> Imagine >>>> what happens when the time change for daylight saving time >>>> occurs. The >>>> time >>>> went back 60 minutes! Believe, it does not need to stop when a time >> drift >>>> occurs, HL2/OB based servers can handle such a time drift without >>>> stopping >>>> the server. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Because time/ticks is how the game server knows what players did >>>>> in the >>>>> last >>>>> second, and how to predict for the next second of gameplay (at a >>>>> very >>>>> high >>>>> level). >>>>> >>>>> The error is serious enough to warrant stopping the server - if >>>>> they >>>>> removed >>>>> this error message, your next complaint would be that the game >>>>> begins >> to >>>>> suffer horrible prediction/lag every time this message would have >>>>> appeared. >>>>> >>>>> The error message is just a symptom of the bigger problem (your >>>>> clock >> is >>>>> drifting too much too quickly). I would research further in to >>>>> why you >>>>> are >>>>> having this time sync problem (maybe the ntp server you are >>>>> using is >>>>> lousy? >>>>> Try another - or maybe even try and update the clock more often >>>>> before >>>>> it >>>>> gets too out of sync). >>>>> >>>>> - Andrew >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>> Ronny >>>>> Schedel >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 16 July 2009 11:55 PM >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike 1.6 Update Available >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why a server has to stop working when the time went back 1 >>>>> second? Yes, >>>>> because it is a bug in the hlds update. And yes, they will fix it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Lo0l Valve don't need to fix anything, that you have time drift >>>>>> on >> your >>>>>> server and use ntp to correct it is your problem not valves. >>>>>> Either >>>>>> disable >>>>>> ntp or reboot the server with the stock kernel as your high tic >>>>>> kernel >>>>>> is >>>>>> causing your drift. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Ronny >>>>>> Schedel >>>>>> Sent: 16 July 2009 14:31 >>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike 1.6 Update Available >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I reverted the binaries back to the previuos version and it >>>>>> runs fine. >>>>>> So >>>>>> Valve has time to fix it, because this update is optional. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> What he said, it's much easier for you to disable the NTP >>>>>>> service >> than >>>>>>> it is to wait for another CS1.6 update. Unless there is >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> hellishly wrong with your server you shouldn't need NTP anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shane Arnold - [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "For want of a nail, the horseshoe was lost. For want of a >>>>>>> horseshoe, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> horse was lost. For want of a horse, the messenger was lost. >>>>>>> For want >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> messenger, the message was not delivered. For want of an >>>>>>> undelivered >>>>>>> message the war was lost." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Remove the ntp service, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Ronny >>>>>>>> Schedel >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 16 July 2009 10:02 PM >>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike 1.6 Update Available >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't care what happens, the fact is the server stops and >>>>>>>> does not >>>>>>>> respond >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> after this. I get these messages also in HL2/OB based servers >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> run >>>>>>>> without any problem. So we need a fix for this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looks like ntp drift to me, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Must be running high ticrate? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>> Ronny >>>>>>>>> Schedel >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 16 July 2009 8:52 PM >>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike 1.6 Update Available >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is a seriuos problem with this update, the server >>>>>>>>> stops after >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> message: >>>>>>>>> Warning: system time went backward by 1 seconds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> An optional update for Counter-Strike/Condition Zero is now >>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>> Please run hldsupdatetool to receive. This update was >>>>>>>>>> previously >>>>>>>>>> available as a beta. The specific changes are: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Half-Life Engine >>>>>>>>>> - Added -sys_ticrate command line option to allowed forced >> override >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> ticrate >>>>>>>>>> - Prevent more cases of server redirection >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> CS/CZ >>>>>>>>>> - Added -nobots option to allow forced override of bots on >>>>>>>>>> servers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
