Can this discussion be held somewhere else? Like the forum, where it's supposed to be?
This isn't the place for it and I'm getting a little sick of having my inbox filled with your petty bullshit back and forth about nothing. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Running a Halloween Server On 15/11/2012 20:21, Rudy Bleeker wrote: > I hope I speak for most people when I say that I don't see the problem > here. If you don't like to play King of the Hill, then don't play on > servers with KOTH maps in their rotation. I do like to play KOTH occasionally. It's not the worse game mode put it that way. But on the map they changed that you couldn't really do that. I think the first Halloween event did koth - and did it in such a way that running around killing people generally worked - in fact, was made part of it - hence yes, to me it would have made more sense to pick a different game mode this time but it was moot anyway given the, imo bad decision to make these bonuses like uber and crits apply to both teams. But I've already said that and I'm not repeating everything because you didn't read it :-) Again, things were not really free, that's a misnomer (perhaps it's worth noting that if Valve's whole modus operandi is to take feedback from its customers, and you think you're not paying for anything then you should realise that this just means you aren't their customer. Hence if you really are "speaking for most people" none of what we say counts, does it? :-) They are developing and updating their games to cater for the people that do pay. Hence one of my points, I'd much prefer - I'd far prefer - a game that had something I wanted to buy in it and that was therefore targeted at people who want to play it rather than people who clearly don't. You can't keep saying "it's free", when all you're really saying is "other people are paying for TF2, not us, and Valve change the game to get their money rather than ours" I cannot (as I also think I pointed out too) really play the game as I always have - that's another point I made (although for a while, shortly after F2P, as I said on this list at the time, TF2 was actually far, far better than it ever was, even at launch in 2007 when it was new and fresh. Perhaps simply because of the numbers and the myriad servers to pick from and in spite of the general TF2 communities rather asinine and ugly reaction to the new players - and their continuing use of the term "F2P" to be derogatory. It's even more ironic that you keep parroting how the game is "free" given the rather hostile reaction a lot of F2P people received because they supposedly hadn't paid. Evidently, it's not the most logical community in existence. In a lot of ways sheer numbers hid the worst issues with the changes they made prior to the game going F2P and I suppose MvM has just made them obvious again, whilst being, imo, nowhere near as good as it could have been in terms of difficulty and skill required and in terms of the number of people needed to play it. For years I've have 2 PCs here, with 2 copies of many of Valve games. Now we've got 3 - and yes it sucks that most of Valves games don't cater for 2 or 3 players albeit it's not so bad for some of them, because you can at least start the game and get all the mechanics to trigger with 3 people. When modes appear that are stymied for no other reason to spite gamers and reward scumbags then it sucks. I know I can join a 6v6 or 12v12 server - and I've played thousands of hours doing just that, but I don't see why I shouldn't be able to play on a LAN - with family and friends, simply in order to let credit card thieves launder money in TF2 by purchasing keys or to steal accounts and scam gamers. if the reason for that is "it's free" then charge me money - let me buy a "Sod the traders" ticket in the store that enables me to play the mode until I win. That's what MvM does (although with the people here who seem to think they "speak for most people" insisting it's all free I imagine they haven't spent any time or money on these tickets themselves) I couldn't really give a crap if there is or isn't an item at the end of a round. We're not at the stage where we're getting the beginning of the round yet. If anything Halloween could have been a couple of weeks where sheer numbers worked but imo it didn't. So far from being "just one week" when things aren't "normal" it could have been 2 really good weeks when it was better because it wasn't what is currently normal. -- Dan _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2629/5896 - Release Date: 11/15/12 _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
