I hope I speak for most people when I say that I don't see the problem here. If you don't like to play King of the Hill, then don't play on servers with KOTH maps in their rotation. If you don't like all the sillyness of TF2 halloween, then just ignore the game for 2 weeks a year or don't join any halloween servers. If you hate MvM, don't play MvM. Valve has given us a lot of options over the years with TF2: more gamemodes (does anyone still play Arena?), alternative weapons to use, and the occasional failure to inspire teamspirit and generosity in players. All these are optional, you can just steer clear and go on playing the game as you always have done. And all those optional extras were given to us for free.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:25 PM, dan <[email protected]> wrote: > On 29/10/2012 18:58, doc wrote: >> >> You seem to be upset with TF2 for requiring a certain amount of people to >> take on certain tasks. You want to be able to experience 100% of the >> content regardless of it's intention, delivery, or challenge. This seems >> like you just want more free stuff for your free game > > > Not at all, I paid for the game and I happily pay for all the games I play. > > If the game is updated I don't really get a choice whether to download the > update or not. > > Ergo, if an update makes the game suck, the rather asinine (and completely > false) suggestion that the updates were somehow "free" is no compensation. > I not only get a game that now sucks, I don't get to keep the game I had > that didn't suck. And you say "but it's free" - well free sucks then. Take > my money > and develop a version that doesn't compromise the gameplay to enable money > laundering and / or credit fraud that PC gamer was reporting on the other > day. > > I do think that, overall, games that get updates, patches and fixes are > better than games that don't. > > Indeed, I don't really think it should be legal for any company to sell > software that isn't maintained for a period after release (in much > the same way that if I buy a car or a washing machine and it's faulty, I'd > expect those faults to be corrected. (I think it's basically only the game > industry that > still sells software in this "release it and forget about it" way) Software > development doesn't work if you don't do updates. > > Clearly Valve have done more than simple maintenance to TF2 though - and TF2 > is better because of the updates it has had. But that's certainly not true > of all of the updates and it's a bit of a fallacy to claim the updates > are free or worse to somehow use this supposed 'free' update notion in a > kind if "you can't complain about the updates" manner. > > Valve are not a charity and they are not altruistic. They are believed to be > a billion dollar company. > It's also nonsense because the whole premise of Valve developing software in > this way is to get and react to customer feedback. > > As for the restriction on number of players, it sucks - and it sucks only > because of the so-called "economy" and for no other reason. > > An economy that is full of, well, dishonest, thieving and cheating scumbags. > There's no exaggeration there - and that includes, current Valve employees, > credit card fraudsters and so on. I'm sure you must agree, if the game is > now at a stage where they've stopped taking money from people who play it, > and instead > rig things to cater to scumbags, it's rather disingenuous of you to claim > "it's free". It's not really free all you're saying is what I mentioned in > my earlier message > that Valve have stopped writing games for people that want to play them, and > they've stopped taking money from people who want to play them. They still > take > money - I would say they should write a decent game and charge money for it > then :) > > Most of the things they get money for now in TF2 don't require the game and > I think that is really the crux of the problem. > > As for saying It's "only one map during one week", I'm sure those > complaining of empty servers shortly before the halloween update will > explain to you > why, during that particular week or two period, why it would help if the > game didn't suck. See? You can't play by yourself, simply because of the > items and > even though the game hits 100k people playing, and lots of servers are full, > the map they are all playing on sucks. > > The next week, when halloween is over, you go back to there being few, if > any decent servers - not the least because Valve removed all their good > servers and put them on MvM. > > -- > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Idleness is not doing nothing. Idleness is being free to do anything. - Floyd Dell _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
