I never disagreed with you, Paulo. I just said I heard many Galician people
saying "zanfona" (with the "cedillado" sound, th as in thing) while
speaking Galician. I have no intention to contradict you, as you of course
know way more about this than I ever will.
The only context I saw "sanfona" used more often was when people adopted
the reintegrationist spelling ("nom", "umha", etc), as in Portugal they
also say "sanfona" or "viela de roda".
I was just saying as I saw and heard on a SHORT trip around your country,
it was by no means me telling you how to speak your own language.
I do love your language and try as much as I can to explain to people the
difference between Galego and Spanish and how I could travel all around
your country speaking Brazilian Portuguese, sometimes only adapting one
word or another (like how you prefer "mercar" instead of "comprar" (which,
I've heard, is a possible verb as well)).
graciñas pola explanación, Paulo!
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:17 PM, eu paulo p. <[email protected]>wrote:
> ...No way. Augusto, I am galician, galician is my only language (I've
> never spoke spanish, never in my whole life), I am "busy" with linguistics
> and philological issues since 18 ( I am 33 years old). As i told you, you
> can hear "zanfona" in Galiza, my country. You can hear "zanfona" by
> galician people. But that is no the question. "Zanfona" is a spaninsh
> world, no doubt. It isn't my or yours opinion. Idiom is what is. Maybe in
> the year 2513 we'll (not "we" obviously) say "zanfona" and "sanfona" are
> two accepted variations of the same word. Not today. People are more and
> more colonized here in Galiza and it's reflected in their language. But,
> and this is important, galician idiom isn't. Can you see (I am sure) the
> difference? It's a speaker deficit or problem, not language's.
>
> I dont want disturb, believe me. Maybe this is not the place to this
> question ('strictu senso' there is no question at all, as I said. Only
> opinions vs. phylology).
> Português é galego, galego é português. Desde Coseriu, que tratou este
> nosso idioma particularmente, ninguém duvida isto. Discrepâncias sobre isto
> na Galiza são apenas na "representação", isto é, na ortografia.
>
> I know this is not so interesting for this group. My fault, maybe I
> souldn't have put the question. Sorry for that.
>
> ...eu,
> pirata petulante,
> namorado sem amante,
> malabarista errante,
> músico ambulante,
> eu, tam breve...
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:24:24 -0200
>
> Subject: Re: [HG-new] gurdy teacher in Lisbon?
> To: [email protected]
>
> it is that I have heard many Galego speakers saying "zanfona" (with a th
> sound and all), and I presumed that zanfona AND sanfona were probably two
> accepted variations within all the dialects in Galiza. I also assumed that
> a more proper Castilan name would be "zanfoña", as I've heard elsewhere.
>
> I am all for protecting the Galician language, it is so beautiful (and so
> beautifully close to my own language, Portuguese - even closer, somehow, to
> Brazilian Portuguese than to Continental Portuguese, I wonder why).
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:57 AM, eu paulo p. <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> ...Just a little not directly "gurdiest" (gurdistic? gurdiewhatever??)
> thing, Augusto: hurdy-gurdy, the word, is "sanfona" in galician language,
> never "zanfona". That is the spanish one. I know, there is a word you can
> hear there in my little country. Consequences of colonialism. But idiom is
> what it is.
> (let me give you an example, not about colonialism just about linguistic
> substitution --different causes, but it can be useful-- : "chanterelle" or
> "chien" or "mouche", they are not english words and they are pretty used in
> our english conversations).
>
> ...eu,
> pirata petulante,
> namorado sem amante,
> malabarista errante,
> músico ambulante,
> eu, tam breve...
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:40:49 -0200
> Subject: Re: [HG-new] gurdy teacher in Lisbon?
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
>
>
> Sorry for taking so long to reply - I am going through some old unread
> messages
>
> Maybe you'll find someone in Lisbon, because the gurdy is quite popular in
> the neighboring country of Galiza (NW bit of Spain on top of Portugal).
> There it is called zanfona. In Portugal it is called "sanfona" or "viela de
> roda".
>
> Try to go to Santiago de Compostela or A Coruña in Galiza and you will
> find many gurdyists around. There are even at least two "folk universities"
> in Galiza that teach the HG in their curriculum, and I've heard that the
> usually have weekend classes - it is easy to drive back and forth from
> Portugal or hop on a train or something. It is all subsidized and really
> cheap.
>
> Augusto
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:42 AM, doug.abshire <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> Hi. In Aug 2011 I am moving to Lisbon Portugal for a 2 year work
> contract. I will be bringing a volksgurdy from Olympia Musical
> Instruments. I am a new beginning student!
>
> Does anyone have a contact in Lisbon?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
> [email protected]
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