...Glad to talk/write with you, Augusto.
I saw the video (your last message) with Carlos and Anton. Carlos do Viso is
the father of my modern hurdy-gurdy. Now he is making a baroque gurdy for me,
after Louvet 1733. Good friend, great gurdy maker.
...eu,
pirata petulante,
namorado sem amante,
malabarista errante,
músico ambulante,
eu, tam breve...
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 12:28:30 -0200
Subject: Re: [HG-new] gurdy teacher in Lisbon?
To: [email protected]
I never disagreed with you, Paulo. I just said I heard many Galician people
saying "zanfona" (with the "cedillado" sound, th as in thing) while speaking
Galician. I have no intention to contradict you, as you of course know way more
about this than I ever will.
The only context I saw "sanfona" used more often was when people adopted the
reintegrationist spelling ("nom", "umha", etc), as in Portugal they also say
"sanfona" or "viela de roda".
I was just saying as I saw and heard on a SHORT trip around your country, it
was by no means me telling you how to speak your own language.
I do love your language and try as much as I can to explain to people the
difference between Galego and Spanish and how I could travel all around your
country speaking Brazilian Portuguese, sometimes only adapting one word or
another (like how you prefer "mercar" instead of "comprar" (which, I've heard,
is a possible verb as well)).
graciñas pola explanación, Paulo!
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:17 PM, eu paulo p. <[email protected]> wrote:
...No way. Augusto, I am galician, galician is my only language (I've never
spoke spanish, never in my whole life), I am "busy" with linguistics and
philological issues since 18 ( I am 33 years old). As i told you, you can hear
"zanfona" in Galiza, my country. You can hear "zanfona" by galician people. But
that is no the question. "Zanfona" is a spaninsh world, no doubt. It isn't my
or yours opinion. Idiom is what is. Maybe in the year 2513 we'll (not "we"
obviously) say "zanfona" and "sanfona" are two accepted variations of the same
word. Not today. People are more and more colonized here in Galiza and it's
reflected in their language. But, and this is important, galician idiom isn't.
Can you see (I am sure) the difference? It's a speaker deficit or problem, not
language's.
I dont want disturb, believe me. Maybe this is not the place to this question
('strictu senso' there is no question at all, as I said. Only opinions vs.
phylology).
Português é galego, galego é português. Desde Coseriu, que tratou este nosso
idioma particularmente, ninguém duvida isto. Discrepâncias sobre isto na Galiza
são apenas na "representação", isto é, na ortografia.
I know this is not so interesting for this group. My fault, maybe I souldn't
have put the question. Sorry for that.
...eu,
pirata petulante,
namorado sem amante,
malabarista errante,
músico ambulante,
eu, tam breve...
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:24:24 -0200
Subject: Re: [HG-new] gurdy teacher in Lisbon?
To: [email protected]
it is that I have heard many Galego speakers saying "zanfona" (with a th sound
and all), and I presumed that zanfona AND sanfona were probably two accepted
variations within all the dialects in Galiza. I also assumed that a more proper
Castilan name would be "zanfoña", as I've heard elsewhere.
I am all for protecting the Galician language, it is so beautiful (and so
beautifully close to my own language, Portuguese - even closer, somehow, to
Brazilian Portuguese than to Continental Portuguese, I wonder why).
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 12:57 AM, eu paulo p. <[email protected]> wrote:
...Just a little not directly "gurdiest" (gurdistic? gurdiewhatever??) thing,
Augusto: hurdy-gurdy, the word, is "sanfona" in galician language, never
"zanfona". That is the spanish one. I know, there is a word you can hear there
in my little country. Consequences of colonialism. But idiom is what it is.
(let me give you an example, not about colonialism just about linguistic
substitution --different causes, but it can be useful-- : "chanterelle" or
"chien" or "mouche", they are not english words and they are pretty used in our
english conversations).
...eu,
pirata petulante,
namorado sem amante,
malabarista errante,
músico ambulante,
eu, tam breve...
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:40:49 -0200
Subject: Re: [HG-new] gurdy teacher in Lisbon?
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Sorry for taking so long to reply - I am going through some old unread messages
Maybe you'll find someone in Lisbon, because the gurdy is quite popular in the
neighboring country of Galiza (NW bit of Spain on top of Portugal). There it is
called zanfona. In Portugal it is called "sanfona" or "viela de roda".
Try to go to Santiago de Compostela or A Coruña in Galiza and you will find
many gurdyists around. There are even at least two "folk universities" in
Galiza that teach the HG in their curriculum, and I've heard that the usually
have weekend classes - it is easy to drive back and forth from Portugal or hop
on a train or something. It is all subsidized and really cheap.
Augusto
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:42 AM, doug.abshire <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi. In Aug 2011 I am moving to Lisbon Portugal for a 2 year work
contract. I will be bringing a volksgurdy from Olympia Musical
Instruments. I am a new beginning student!
Does anyone have a contact in Lisbon?
Thanks,
Doug
[email protected]
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