Kees,

Dfdss in general is not ftp freindly. When we faced that in a large data
movement project, we used xmit to convert the file format to xmt on one
side and rexyeive it on the other side.

ITschak



בתאריך יום ד׳, 6 בנוב׳ 2019, 17:18, מאת Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM ‏<
kees.verno...@klm.com>:

> So do we.
>
> And I wonder what the actual problem is? If the DFDSS dump dataset has
> such a special (internal) format, that FTP cannot always handle it
> correctly, why can AMATERSE do this without problems?
>
> If it FTP only, what is the special problem for FTP? What other dataset
> formats are a problem for FTP?
>
> Questions, Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt...
>
> Kees.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: 06 November 2019 16:11
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Zfs from 1 LPAR to another
>
> I have always FTP a DFDSS dump of "things"  - What I was told to do long
> ago and far away was to include BLKSIZE=32760 on the dump file in DFDSS.
>
> This has never caused an issue (DFDSS ignores the Blksize).  And my
> Transfer have (knock wood) not failed.  And I have always been able to
> restore from the DFDSS dump.
>
>
> Lizette
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On
> > Behalf Of Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 8:02 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Zfs from 1 LPAR to another
> >
> > Can you point to where that is documented?
> > We FTP a lot b.m.o. DFDSS between Sysplexes.
> >
> > Kees.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Tom Conley
> > Sent: 06 November 2019 15:46
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Zfs from 1 LPAR to another
> >
> > On 11/5/2019 6:54 PM, Jousma, David wrote:
> > > Terse, dont terse, your call.  I have 100% reliability as long as
> > > the
> > destination disk dataset for the ftp is newly created.  If the
> > destination dataset already exists, then yes, there have been problems.
> > >
> > > As you mention there are some specific options on the transfer to
> > > specify,
> > and as long as you do, it will work fine.
> > >
> > > Sending the dump file outside the company, probably not bad idea to
> > > terse
> > since we are all familiar with it.
> > >
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> > > From: Tom Conley <pinnc...@rochester.rr.com>
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> > > Subject: Re: Zfs from 1 LPAR to another
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> > > On 11/5/2019 3:11 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> > >> I always terse the dump file too. Had issues with Restore if the
> > >> file wasn't  tersed.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 03:53 Pierre Fichaud <pr...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Dave,
> > >>>           I'll do that. The files are not big.
> > >>>           They can be sent as ZIP files.
> > >>> Thanks, Pierre
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> > > Wayne beat me to it.  Terse any DFDSS file before sending.  You may
> > > get away with DFDSS with mode block and EBCDIC.  Until you don't.
> > > Terse it for 100% reliability.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Conley
> > >
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > For over a year, I FTP'd a DFDSS dump of my IODF file to every LPAR
> > that needed it.  Worked fine, until it didn't.  IBM's response to the
> > PMR that I opened is that the only 100% reliable way to FTP a DFDSS
> > dump file was to terse it first.  IBM does not support direct FTP of a
> > DFDSS dump file.  So I now terse every DFDSS dump file before FTPing
> > it to other systems, and I haven't had another failure in 6 years.  As
> > I said, it will work until it doesn't.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom Conley
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