I acknowledged that no one knew how to debug SYSUDUMPs without training.
More? Less? Hard to say of course.

No, what I am saying is that if your people already know how to use SYSUDUMP
but not IPCS, then IPCS training is a hurdle (and SYSUDUMP training is not).

Charles


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Is it your contention that training an application programmer to read a
SYSUDUMP is easier than training him to use IPCS? I don't buy it.


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Perhaps a training concern?

I am not defending a lack of training -- just theorizing that "we would have
to train everyone in IPCS" is a management concern.

Granted, no one was born with SYSUDUMP debugging skills.

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