Dear Dinesh, I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics, herbarium pics of T. godefroy to compare with. Tabish ------------------------------------------- <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net The waterhole of flower lovers
On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha > for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri > <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137952066>, and 2) of Nagla > forest <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/72003993>. > Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany > disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. & > Schltdl. > He says: > "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi* > have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in > West Bengal." > > Aaratrik Pal <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aaratrik-Pal> has > written many articles related to *Torenia* spp. > > Regards. > Dinesh. > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr. >> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can see >> it in my posted plants. >> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the sepals >> are not completely enclosing the mature capsule. >> >> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than >> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. I >> am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his >> comments soon and help resolve the ID. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia >>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro), >>> Assam >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell. >>> : sk03 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>> crustacea? >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>> Validation of Lindernia >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>> >>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we are >>> following now). >>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied >>>> to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined >>>> to the Western Ghats. >>>> Tabish >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>> 'Re-establishment >>>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on >>>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look >>>>> at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* >>>>> (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>> According to the paper: >>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely >>>>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in >>>>> outline >>>>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that >>>>> are, >>>>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule >>>>> completely." >>>>> Tabish >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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