Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist. But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to this discussion.
All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia crustacea. I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his views regarding this discussion. Regards. Dinesh On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Dinesh, > I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from T. > crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly winged > calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea as it > shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. godefroy, it > may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics, herbarium > pics of T. godefroy to compare with. > Tabish > ------------------------------------------- > <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net > The waterhole of flower lovers > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha >> for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri >> <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137952066>, and 2) of Nagla >> forest <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/72003993>. >> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany >> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. & >> Schltdl. >> He says: >> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi* >> have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in >> West Bengal." >> >> Aaratrik Pal <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aaratrik-Pal> has >> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh. >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr. >>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can >>> see it in my posted plants. >>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the >>> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule. >>> >>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than >>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. I >>> am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his >>> comments soon and help resolve the ID. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia >>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro), >>>> Assam >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) >>>> F.Muell. : sk03 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>>> crustacea? >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>>> Validation of Lindernia >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>>> >>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we are >>>> following now). >>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied >>>>> to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides >>>>> *confined >>>>> to the Western Ghats. >>>>> Tabish >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>>> 'Re-establishment >>>>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on >>>>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look >>>>>> at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* >>>>>> (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>>> According to the paper: >>>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely >>>>>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in >>>>>> outline >>>>>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that >>>>>> are, >>>>>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule >>>>>> completely." >>>>>> Tabish >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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