At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137952066>, and 2) of Nagla forest <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/72003993>. Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. He says: "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi* have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in West Bengal."
Aaratrik Pal <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aaratrik-Pal> has written many articles related to *Torenia* spp. Regards. Dinesh. On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr. > As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can see > it in my posted plants. > In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the sepals > are not completely enclosing the mature capsule. > > In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than > distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. I > am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his > comments soon and help resolve the ID. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia >> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district (Metro), >> Assam <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muell. >> : sk03 >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia crustacea? >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >> for id. request. BRS 522 >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >> Validation of Lindernia >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >> >> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we are >> following now). >> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >> >> >> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied >>> to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides *confined >>> to the Western Ghats. >>> Tabish >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>> 'Re-establishment >>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes on >>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a look >>>> at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia crustacea* >>>> (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>> According to the paper: >>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which completely >>>> encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, lelliptic in outline >>>> and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has sepals that are, >>>> at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never invest the capsule >>>> completely." >>>> Tabish >>>> >>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: >>>> >>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>> dog flower family >>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>> >>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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