Hi, Dinesh ji, How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ? I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx. Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021 <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg>
On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and > therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist. > But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to > this discussion. > > All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do not > have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia > crustacea. > I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his > views regarding this discussion. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Dinesh, >> I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from >> T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly >> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea >> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. >> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics, >> herbarium pics of T. godefroy to compare with. >> Tabish >> ------------------------------------------- >> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >> The waterhole of flower lovers >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha >>> for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri >>> <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137952066>, and 2) of Nagla >>> forest <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/72003993>. >>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany >>> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. & >>> Schltdl. >>> He says: >>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi* >>> have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in >>> West Bengal." >>> >>> Aaratrik Pal <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aaratrik-Pal> has >>> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr. >>>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can >>>> see it in my posted plants. >>>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the >>>> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule. >>>> >>>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than >>>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. >>>> I am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his >>>> comments soon and help resolve the ID. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or *Torenia >>>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >>>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district >>>>> (Metro), Assam >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) >>>>> F.Muell. : sk03 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>>>> crustacea? >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>>>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>>>> Validation of Lindernia >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>>>> >>>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we >>>>> are following now). >>>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >>>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>>>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* confied >>>>>> to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia lindernioides >>>>>> *confined >>>>>> to the Western Ghats. >>>>>> Tabish >>>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>>>> 'Re-establishment >>>>>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a >>>>>>> look at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia >>>>>>> crustacea* (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>>>> According to the paper: >>>>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which >>>>>>> completely encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, >>>>>>> lelliptic >>>>>>> in outline and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has >>>>>>> sepals that are, at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never >>>>>>> invest >>>>>>> the capsule completely." >>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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