Garg ji, when I go through photographs posted in SK 3258 24 December 2021 <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> that show calyx, they do not seem to me as "distinctly winged" or ribbed. They look to me rather as separated sepals. That is how I perceive. Regards. Dinesh
On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:23 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Dinesh ji, > How do you say "All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia > crustacea do not have distinctly winged calyx" ? > I feel otherwise that most of the observations at eFI related to Lindernia > crustacea also have distinctly winged calyx. > Pl. see one e.g. SK 3258 24 December 2021 > <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> > > On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Tabish, I agree with you on the distinctly winged calyx, and >> therefore rushed to upload my observation in iNaturalist. >> But there the suggested ID is not agreed upon. I have given the link to >> this discussion. >> >> All of the other observations at eFI related to Lindernia crustacea do >> not have distinctly winged calyx and therefore will remain as Lindernia >> crustacea. >> I have sent a personal mail to Aaratrik Pal, requesting him to give his >> views regarding this discussion. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:10 PM Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dinesh, >>> I think there is some confusion here. T. godefroyi is separated from >>> T. crustacea one some characteristics, one of which is the distinctly >>> winged calyx. I am only saying that this plant should not be T. crustacea >>> as it shows winged calyx. If T. lindernioides is synonymous with T. >>> godefroy, it may be so, I don't know - I don't have any description, pics, >>> herbarium pics of T. godefroy to compare with. >>> Tabish >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> At iNaturalist, I suggested ID of *Torenia lindernioides* C.J.Saldanha >>>> for two of my observations: 1) of MIDC Andheri >>>> <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/137952066>, and 2) of Nagla >>>> forest <https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/72003993>. >>>> Aaratrik Pal, M.Sc., University of North Bengal, Department of Botany >>>> disagrees with the ID, and asserts on *Torenia crustacea* (L.) Cham. & >>>> Schltdl. >>>> He says: >>>> "POWO is updating daily, and the above information about *T. godefroyi* >>>> have not been updated yet. Both are synonymous and is also distributed in >>>> West Bengal." >>>> >>>> Aaratrik Pal <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Aaratrik-Pal> has >>>> written many articles related to *Torenia* spp. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> By now, I have made changes to my notes in flickr. >>>>> As far as the characteristic of "distinctly winged calyx" goes, I can >>>>> see it in my posted plants. >>>>> In the first photo, we do see a capsule in the centre; however the >>>>> sepals are not completely enclosing the mature capsule. >>>>> >>>>> In Garg ji's listed posts, the sepals seem to be more blunt than >>>>> distinctly winged ... as such would resolve to *Lindernia crustacea*. >>>>> I am not good at this assertion. So I hope that Sunoj ji will provide his >>>>> comments soon and help resolve the ID. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> However, I am not satisfied with the id as *Torenia godefroyi* or >>>>>> *Torenia >>>>>> lindernioides *(with restricted range in Western Ghats and Cambodia). >>>>>> What about other observations from other areas at Lindernia crustacea >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> like >>>>>> SK 3258 24 December 2021 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/xoQAkxPsgTg> >>>>>> Lindernia sp. (1) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-1 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/Huo2W3tvDdU> >>>>>> Lindernia sp. (2) from Hooghly 15/8/12 SK-2 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/pAcb_GQuLTE> >>>>>> Lindernia crustacea (L.) F.Muel collected from Kamrup district >>>>>> (Metro), Assam >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/KU3HUbO0DnM> >>>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: Lindernia crustacea from Kaithal- NS 29 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/lSYABMJR-XI> >>>>>> Scrophulariaceae Fortnight: a guest on Lindernia crustacea (L.) >>>>>> F.Muell. : sk03 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/aobL5G85kmA> >>>>>> PM1 22-09-2017 Id confirmation from chandigarh. Is it Lindernia >>>>>> crustacea? >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/z5RCCxai7Uc> >>>>>> Torenia thouarsii (Cham. & Schltdl.) Kuntze (accepted name) ?? >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/zMNeXJM7Bdc> >>>>>> for id. request. BRS 522 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/indiantreepix/eWWg23fxCqM> >>>>>> Torenia crustacea (L.) Cham. & Schltdl. >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/PAKGAtwmPGI> >>>>>> Validation of Lindernia >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/umPk1Q5X8-8> >>>>>> Herb for ID from Jim-Corbett Uttarakhand-GS10032022-2 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/anOKvYwqBec> >>>>>> >>>>>> In view of the above observations, I feel, we follow the broader >>>>>> circumspection with all these observations as Lindernia crustacea >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> (as we >>>>>> are following now). >>>>>> In view Dinesh ji's plant and other similar observations from Western >>>>>> Ghats may also be retained as Lindernia crustacea >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/03/12/lindernia-crustacea/> only. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 22:00, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to point out that POWO treats* Torenia godefroyi* and* Torenia >>>>>>> lindernioides *as distinct species, with *Torenia godefroyi* >>>>>>> confied to Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, and *Torenia >>>>>>> lindernioides *confined to the Western Ghats. >>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:35 AM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think Sunoj ji may finally resolve this issue being an author of >>>>>>>> 'Re-establishment >>>>>>>> of the overlooked species Torenia godefroyi (Linderniaceae), and notes >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the identity of T. lindernioides >>>>>>>> <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312558634_Re-establishment_of_the_overlooked_species_Torenia_godefroyi_Linderniaceae_and_notes_on_the_identity_of_T_lindernioides>' >>>>>>>> (I am unable to get a hand on it from the net) >>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, Tabish ji, for the inputs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>> From: Tabish <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 09:29 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:434054] Re: Scrophulariaceae fortnight :: >>>>>>>> Lindernia crustacea at Andheri :: DV06 >>>>>>>> To: eFloraofIndia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This plant, with distinctly winged calyx, should be *Torenia >>>>>>>> lindernioides* which is endemic to Western Ghats. Please have a >>>>>>>> look at the attached paper. It is closely similar to *Torenia >>>>>>>> crustacea* (Syn: *Lindernia crustacea*) which has unwinged calyx. >>>>>>>> According to the paper: >>>>>>>> "Torenia lindernioides has a distinctly winged calyx which >>>>>>>> completely encloses the mature capsule. The capsule is elongated, >>>>>>>> lelliptic >>>>>>>> in outline and narrowed at the top. Lindernia crustacea, however, has >>>>>>>> sepals that are, at most, slightly thickened in the middle and never >>>>>>>> invest >>>>>>>> the capsule completely." >>>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, August 16, 2013 at 5:12:18 AM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scrophulariaceae fortnight >>>>>>>>> dog flower family >>>>>>>>> *Lindernia crustacea* (L.) F. Muell. ... also placed in: >>>>>>>>> Linderniaceae Plantaginaceae Veronicaceae >>>>>>>>> at MIDC Andheri on 24 AUG 07 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Urikusa (in Japanese)] >>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224907860%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzc7DxIHJEZQx1njUX_pZEE1_tb5uA> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Fua Lanumoana (in Samoan)] >>>>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F1224061657%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdyHN9liuka8KQKrl3l8qM__GKBrg> >>>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/373ac98b-df9a-4a8f-8799-d45ab3d6eb4bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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