Yes Dinesh both your plant, and uploaded by me today, and others as Senna surattensis should all belong to Senna sulfurea. Occurrence of gland in third pair is no issue as both Revised Handbook of Ceylone and Flora of Pakistan mention glands between lower 2-4 pairs of leaflets. I got slightly confused with smaller size of leaflets in your cropped image but those in your original upload match mine.
We should now wait for some one uploading leaves with 6-9 pairs of leaflets, smaller leaflets shorter than 3.5 cm, shorter leaf (less than 10 cm long) and shorter pod (7-10 cm long) the true Senna surattensis. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: > Gurcharan ji, > > Your analysis prompted me to go through the Senna PDF (Flora of China) > http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF10/Senna.pdf ... the plant in > my upload is quite close to *Senna sulfurea* (Collad.) H.S.Irwin & > Barneby (syn. *Cassia glauca* Lam.) > > Seeking clarification regarding these two points: > 1) the stipules in my plant ... can they be considered as linear ? > 2) the clavate glands on rachis between each of lowest 3 pairs of leaflets > ... in description, put as 2 ... can it be considered as possible variation > ? > > Have re-attached the relevant image files for ready reference. > > If the considerations are positive, then my plant must be *Senna > sulfurea*(Collad.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby ... though aware that > *Cassia glauca* Lam. is treated differently by the top organizations. > > Your thoughts. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dinesh ji >> Perhaps the whole situation has to be looked carefully. Flora of China >> seems to be very confident about number of leaflets 4-6 pairs (usually 5 >> pairs) and C. glauca as synonym of S. sulphurea., whereas those unaware of >> S. sulphurea (Fl Pakistan, Hortus Third) who simply treat C. glauca as >> ynonym of S. surattensis directly mention 4-10 pairs of leaflets in the >> species. The Plant List follows Flora of Cgina whereas GRIN treats S. >> sulfurea a S. surattensis subsp. sulfurea (DC. ex Collad.) Randell (a 1989 >> publication whereas Irwin & Barneby combination as Senna sulfurea is 1982). >> It seems that Cassia glauca Lamk. described in Flora of British India >> (although leaflet number is not mentioned) should be Senna sulfurea wherea >> Cassia glauca var. suffruticosa Koenig. (C. suffruticosa Wall. Cassia >> speciosa Roxb; with 16-18 smaller leaflets) is true Senna surattensis. >> Perhaps some one has to find this true Senna surattensis with (6-9 pairs >> of leaflets; leaflets 2.5-5 cm, obtuse at tip) as against we usually find >> S. sulfurea (C. glauca) with 4-6 pairs of larger leaflets (4 to 10 cm >> long), which most of us are finding and uploading. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Many thanks Gurcharan ji for validating this ID. >>> Had earlier (long back) labelled it as *Cassia glauca* >>> >>> >>> The single photo of Jun 21, 2007 is one of the same plants that was >>> photographed after two years on Aug 22, 2009. >>> 5 pairs of leaflets, their sizes uniformly increasing as they near the >>> tip of the stalk. >>> The size of the leaflets, relatively has reduced, with the plant >>> maturing. >>> In the matured plant, the largest leaflet measures about 20 - 25 mm, the >>> entire leaf about 10 - 12 cm. >>> The seedpod measures about 12 - 15 cm long X 10 - 12 mm wide, comprising >>> about 18 - 20 seeds. >>> >>> >>> Posting more attachments (cropped versions of already attached photos); >>> perhaps may help in getting to the ID. >>> >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder whether this should be Senna sulfurea (4-6 pairs of leaflets; >>>> leaves 15-30 cm long; stalk of fruit 10-20 mm long) or Senna surattensis >>>> (leaflets 6-9 pairs; leaves 10-15 cm long; stalk of fruit 6-7 mm long). I >>>> wonder if we really have true Senna surattensis in India. I would be happy >>>> if some one uploads one. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Senna surattensis * (Burm.f.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - *SEN-nuh* -- Latin form of Arabic word for a thorny bush >>>>> *sur-rat-EN-sis* -- of or from Surat (Gujarat, India) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Senna >>>>> surattensis]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F587623056%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdOCRNdcAAyXRR2IN96CVR7Jxq2tA> >>>>> Jun 21, 2007 ... near Yeoor Hills, Thane, Maharashtra >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *commonly known as*: glaucous cassia, golden senna, scrambled egg >>>>> tree, Singapore shower, smooth senna, sulphur-flowered senna, sunshine >>>>> tree, Surat senna • *Gujarati*: કાસીદ kasid • *Kannada*: ಬೆಟ್ಟದವರೆ >>>>> bettadavare • *Marathi*: मोठा तरवड motha tarvad • *Tamil*: >>>>> குண்டுப்பூக்கொன்றை kuntu-p-pu-k-konrai, மஞ்சட்கொன்றை mancat-konrai, >>>>> வெள்ளைத்தகரை vellai-t-takarai, வெள்ளாவிரை vel-l-avirai, வெண்டகரை >>>>> ventakarai >>>>> • *Telugu*: మెట్ట తంగేడు metta tangedu >>>>> >>>>> *Native to*: India, Sri Lanka >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *more views*: >>>>> >>>>> - Aug 22, 2009 ... near Yeoor Hills, Thane, Maharashtra >>>>> [image: Sulphur-flowered >>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870039881%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfBR0Wve1h0Pll3kLqIsuLqUIMGKw> >>>>> [image: >>>>> Glaucous >>>>> Cassia]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870802142%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdxnDpuOr6FkZy4_JBCF3bPzwJ6Qw> >>>>> [image: >>>>> Surat >>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870012379%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfDSAoS4JXF-qF9XEBOZXXBjezd0A> >>>>> [image: >>>>> Metta Tangedu (Telugu: మెట్ట >>>>> తంగేడు)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3869990547%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEze974SrEOMP897UHsaM5ycZmgbISQ> >>>>> [image: >>>>> Golden >>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870036347%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfvmdFmQV5VRF9UY7jjB0oj-KvGGw> >>>>> [image: >>>>> Bettadavare (Kannada: >>>>> ಬೆಟ್ಟದವರೆ)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870811602%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcdB_RIPGpvvfYnQCcJ28Uvo05rrQ> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >
