Dinesh ji please read leaves shorter than 15 cm in S. surattensis
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Dinesh both your plant, and uploaded by me today, and others as Senna > surattensis should all belong to Senna sulfurea. Occurrence of gland in > third pair is no issue as both Revised Handbook of Ceylone and Flora of > Pakistan mention glands between lower 2-4 pairs of leaflets. I got slightly > confused with smaller size of leaflets in your cropped image but those in > your original upload match mine. > > We should now wait for some one uploading leaves with 6-9 pairs of > leaflets, smaller leaflets shorter than 3.5 cm, shorter leaf (less than 10 > cm long) and shorter pod (7-10 cm long) the true Senna surattensis. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Gurcharan ji, >> >> Your analysis prompted me to go through the Senna PDF (Flora of China) >> http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF10/Senna.pdf ... the plant in >> my upload is quite close to *Senna sulfurea* (Collad.) H.S.Irwin & >> Barneby (syn. *Cassia glauca* Lam.) >> >> Seeking clarification regarding these two points: >> 1) the stipules in my plant ... can they be considered as linear ? >> 2) the clavate glands on rachis between each of lowest 3 pairs of >> leaflets ... in description, put as 2 ... can it be considered as possible >> variation ? >> >> Have re-attached the relevant image files for ready reference. >> >> If the considerations are positive, then my plant must be *Senna sulfurea >> * (Collad.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby ... though aware that *Cassia glauca*Lam. is >> treated differently by the top organizations. >> >> Your thoughts. >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Dinesh ji >>> Perhaps the whole situation has to be looked carefully. Flora of China >>> seems to be very confident about number of leaflets 4-6 pairs (usually 5 >>> pairs) and C. glauca as synonym of S. sulphurea., whereas those unaware of >>> S. sulphurea (Fl Pakistan, Hortus Third) who simply treat C. glauca as >>> ynonym of S. surattensis directly mention 4-10 pairs of leaflets in the >>> species. The Plant List follows Flora of Cgina whereas GRIN treats S. >>> sulfurea a S. surattensis subsp. sulfurea (DC. ex Collad.) Randell (a 1989 >>> publication whereas Irwin & Barneby combination as Senna sulfurea is 1982). >>> It seems that Cassia glauca Lamk. described in Flora of British India >>> (although leaflet number is not mentioned) should be Senna sulfurea wherea >>> Cassia glauca var. suffruticosa Koenig. (C. suffruticosa Wall. Cassia >>> speciosa Roxb; with 16-18 smaller leaflets) is true Senna surattensis. >>> Perhaps some one has to find this true Senna surattensis with (6-9 pairs >>> of leaflets; leaflets 2.5-5 cm, obtuse at tip) as against we usually find >>> S. sulfurea (C. glauca) with 4-6 pairs of larger leaflets (4 to 10 cm >>> long), which most of us are finding and uploading. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Many thanks Gurcharan ji for validating this ID. >>>> Had earlier (long back) labelled it as *Cassia glauca* >>>> >>>> >>>> The single photo of Jun 21, 2007 is one of the same plants that was >>>> photographed after two years on Aug 22, 2009. >>>> 5 pairs of leaflets, their sizes uniformly increasing as they near the >>>> tip of the stalk. >>>> The size of the leaflets, relatively has reduced, with the plant >>>> maturing. >>>> In the matured plant, the largest leaflet measures about 20 - 25 mm, >>>> the entire leaf about 10 - 12 cm. >>>> The seedpod measures about 12 - 15 cm long X 10 - 12 mm wide, >>>> comprising about 18 - 20 seeds. >>>> >>>> >>>> Posting more attachments (cropped versions of already attached photos); >>>> perhaps may help in getting to the ID. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Dinesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wonder whether this should be Senna sulfurea (4-6 pairs of leaflets; >>>>> leaves 15-30 cm long; stalk of fruit 10-20 mm long) or Senna surattensis >>>>> (leaflets 6-9 pairs; leaves 10-15 cm long; stalk of fruit 6-7 mm long). I >>>>> wonder if we really have true Senna surattensis in India. I would be happy >>>>> if some one uploads one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Dinesh Valke >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *Senna surattensis * (Burm.f.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - *SEN-nuh* -- Latin form of Arabic word for a thorny bush >>>>>> *sur-rat-EN-sis* -- of or from Surat (Gujarat, India) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Senna >>>>>> surattensis]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F587623056%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdOCRNdcAAyXRR2IN96CVR7Jxq2tA> >>>>>> Jun 21, 2007 ... near Yeoor Hills, Thane, Maharashtra >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *commonly known as*: glaucous cassia, golden senna, scrambled egg >>>>>> tree, Singapore shower, smooth senna, sulphur-flowered senna, sunshine >>>>>> tree, Surat senna • *Gujarati*: કાસીદ kasid • *Kannada*: ಬೆಟ್ಟದವರೆ >>>>>> bettadavare • *Marathi*: मोठा तरवड motha tarvad • *Tamil*: >>>>>> குண்டுப்பூக்கொன்றை kuntu-p-pu-k-konrai, மஞ்சட்கொன்றை mancat-konrai, >>>>>> வெள்ளைத்தகரை vellai-t-takarai, வெள்ளாவிரை vel-l-avirai, வெண்டகரை >>>>>> ventakarai >>>>>> • *Telugu*: మెట్ట తంగేడు metta tangedu >>>>>> >>>>>> *Native to*: India, Sri Lanka >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *more views*: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Aug 22, 2009 ... near Yeoor Hills, Thane, Maharashtra >>>>>> [image: Sulphur-flowered >>>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870039881%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfBR0Wve1h0Pll3kLqIsuLqUIMGKw> >>>>>> [image: >>>>>> Glaucous >>>>>> Cassia]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870802142%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdxnDpuOr6FkZy4_JBCF3bPzwJ6Qw> >>>>>> [image: >>>>>> Surat >>>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870012379%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfDSAoS4JXF-qF9XEBOZXXBjezd0A> >>>>>> [image: >>>>>> Metta Tangedu (Telugu: మెట్ట >>>>>> తంగేడు)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3869990547%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEze974SrEOMP897UHsaM5ycZmgbISQ> >>>>>> [image: >>>>>> Golden >>>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870036347%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfvmdFmQV5VRF9UY7jjB0oj-KvGGw> >>>>>> [image: >>>>>> Bettadavare (Kannada: >>>>>> ಬೆಟ್ಟದವರೆ)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870811602%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcdB_RIPGpvvfYnQCcJ28Uvo05rrQ> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > >
