Many many thanks, Gurcharan ji for resolving this ID. Your revised note would read: "We should now wait for some one uploading leaves with 6-9 pairs of leaflets, smaller leaflets shorter than 3.5 cm, shorter leaf (*less than 15 cm long*) and shorter pod (7-10 cm long) the true *Senna surattensis*."
Regards. Dinesh On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: Dinesh ji please read leaves shorter than 15 cm in S. surattensis > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Yes Dinesh both your plant, and uploaded by me today, and others as Senna >> surattensis should all belong to Senna sulfurea. Occurrence of gland in >> third pair is no issue as both Revised Handbook of Ceylone and Flora of >> Pakistan mention glands between lower 2-4 pairs of leaflets. I got slightly >> confused with smaller size of leaflets in your cropped image but those in >> your original upload match mine. >> >> We should now wait for some one uploading leaves with 6-9 pairs of >> leaflets, smaller leaflets shorter than 3.5 cm, shorter leaf (less than 10 >> cm long) and shorter pod (7-10 cm long) the true Senna surattensis. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Gurcharan ji, >>> >>> Your analysis prompted me to go through the Senna PDF (Flora of China) >>> http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF10/Senna.pdf ... the plant in >>> my upload is quite close to *Senna sulfurea* (Collad.) H.S.Irwin & >>> Barneby (syn. *Cassia glauca* Lam.) >>> >>> Seeking clarification regarding these two points: >>> 1) the stipules in my plant ... can they be considered as linear ? >>> 2) the clavate glands on rachis between each of lowest 3 pairs of >>> leaflets ... in description, put as 2 ... can it be considered as possible >>> variation ? >>> >>> Have re-attached the relevant image files for ready reference. >>> >>> If the considerations are positive, then my plant must be *Senna >>> sulfurea* (Collad.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby ... though aware that *Cassia >>> glauca* Lam. is treated differently by the top organizations. >>> >>> Your thoughts. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dinesh ji >>>> Perhaps the whole situation has to be looked carefully. Flora of China >>>> seems to be very confident about number of leaflets 4-6 pairs (usually 5 >>>> pairs) and C. glauca as synonym of S. sulphurea., whereas those unaware of >>>> S. sulphurea (Fl Pakistan, Hortus Third) who simply treat C. glauca as >>>> ynonym of S. surattensis directly mention 4-10 pairs of leaflets in the >>>> species. The Plant List follows Flora of Cgina whereas GRIN treats S. >>>> sulfurea a S. surattensis subsp. sulfurea (DC. ex Collad.) Randell (a 1989 >>>> publication whereas Irwin & Barneby combination as Senna sulfurea is 1982). >>>> It seems that Cassia glauca Lamk. described in Flora of British India >>>> (although leaflet number is not mentioned) should be Senna sulfurea wherea >>>> Cassia glauca var. suffruticosa Koenig. (C. suffruticosa Wall. Cassia >>>> speciosa Roxb; with 16-18 smaller leaflets) is true Senna surattensis. >>>> Perhaps some one has to find this true Senna surattensis with (6-9 >>>> pairs of leaflets; leaflets 2.5-5 cm, obtuse at tip) as against we usually >>>> find S. sulfurea (C. glauca) with 4-6 pairs of larger leaflets (4 to 10 cm >>>> long), which most of us are finding and uploading. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Dinesh Valke >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Many thanks Gurcharan ji for validating this ID. >>>>> Had earlier (long back) labelled it as *Cassia glauca* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The single photo of Jun 21, 2007 is one of the same plants that was >>>>> photographed after two years on Aug 22, 2009. >>>>> 5 pairs of leaflets, their sizes uniformly increasing as they near the >>>>> tip of the stalk. >>>>> The size of the leaflets, relatively has reduced, with the plant >>>>> maturing. >>>>> In the matured plant, the largest leaflet measures about 20 - 25 mm, >>>>> the entire leaf about 10 - 12 cm. >>>>> The seedpod measures about 12 - 15 cm long X 10 - 12 mm wide, >>>>> comprising about 18 - 20 seeds. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Posting more attachments (cropped versions of already attached >>>>> photos); perhaps may help in getting to the ID. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I wonder whether this should be Senna sulfurea (4-6 pairs of >>>>>> leaflets; leaves 15-30 cm long; stalk of fruit 10-20 mm long) or Senna >>>>>> surattensis (leaflets 6-9 pairs; leaves 10-15 cm long; stalk of fruit 6-7 >>>>>> mm long). I wonder if we really have true Senna surattensis in India. I >>>>>> would be happy if some one uploads one. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Dinesh Valke >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Senna surattensis * (Burm.f.) H.S.Irwin & Barneby >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - *SEN-nuh* -- Latin form of Arabic word for a thorny bush >>>>>>> *sur-rat-EN-sis* -- of or from Surat (Gujarat, India) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Senna >>>>>>> surattensis]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F587623056%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdOCRNdcAAyXRR2IN96CVR7Jxq2tA> >>>>>>> Jun 21, 2007 ... near Yeoor Hills, Thane, Maharashtra >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *commonly known as*: glaucous cassia, golden senna, scrambled egg >>>>>>> tree, Singapore shower, smooth senna, sulphur-flowered senna, sunshine >>>>>>> tree, Surat senna • *Gujarati*: કાસીદ kasid • *Kannada*: ಬೆಟ್ಟದವರೆ >>>>>>> bettadavare • *Marathi*: मोठा तरवड motha tarvad • *Tamil*: >>>>>>> குண்டுப்பூக்கொன்றை kuntu-p-pu-k-konrai, மஞ்சட்கொன்றை mancat-konrai, >>>>>>> வெள்ளைத்தகரை vellai-t-takarai, வெள்ளாவிரை vel-l-avirai, வெண்டகரை >>>>>>> ventakarai >>>>>>> • *Telugu*: మెట్ట తంగేడు metta tangedu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Native to*: India, Sri Lanka >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *more views*: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Aug 22, 2009 ... near Yeoor Hills, Thane, Maharashtra >>>>>>> [image: Sulphur-flowered >>>>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870039881%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfBR0Wve1h0Pll3kLqIsuLqUIMGKw> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Glaucous >>>>>>> Cassia]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870802142%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzdxnDpuOr6FkZy4_JBCF3bPzwJ6Qw> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Surat >>>>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870012379%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfDSAoS4JXF-qF9XEBOZXXBjezd0A> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Metta Tangedu (Telugu: మెట్ట >>>>>>> తంగేడు)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3869990547%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEze974SrEOMP897UHsaM5ycZmgbISQ> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Golden >>>>>>> Senna]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870036347%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzfvmdFmQV5VRF9UY7jjB0oj-KvGGw> >>>>>>> [image: >>>>>>> Bettadavare (Kannada: >>>>>>> ಬೆಟ್ಟದವರೆ)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdinesh_valke%2F3870811602%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFrqEzcdB_RIPGpvvfYnQCcJ28Uvo05rrQ> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >
