You're taking something Neal says as gospel? He's might be a professional troll, paid by microsoft to sow confusion in the ranks.
This is a copy of the OSS (the precursor of the CIA)'s manual on casual sabotage in the field. It has a section on sabotaging businesses. Neal pretty much covered everything in that on various java language mailing lists. I don't know if he's merely a pedantic stickler, or actively trying to sabotage java. Just saying. http://www.slideshare.net/pastinson/u-oss-simple-sabotage-sm On Sep 2, 7:31 pm, dario <[email protected]> wrote: > Apparently not. > > From Neal Gafter's recent blog posting: > > "...even though I am a contributor to openjdk7, I do not have a > license to Oracle's patents that are necessarily infringed by the use > of the openjdk7 source base. This is a very confusing position for the > organizer of an open-source effort to take." > > http://gafter.blogspot.com/2010/08/couple-of-comments-on-defender-met... > > -Dario > > On Aug 31, 10:29 am, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Is OpenJDK independent from Oracle ? > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 16:24, Robert Casto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I very much like where this thread is headed. > > > > Having viable options with Java that Oracle can not touch sounds like a > > > win > > > for the community. There is a lot of value in those libraries that can be > > > leveraged by a developer. That makes them productive and of benefit to a > > > company. If all we have to do is change the underlying VM to something > > > that > > > is safe from Oracle, then so be it. I'm sure that VM would get a lot more > > > attention from the community to make it great for production use. > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Kevin Wright > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Funny really, in OS design the small core, big libs approach has long > > >> been > > >> preferred. > > > >> The windows NT MicroKernel dates back to 1993 > > >> The original Unix Kernel, 1973 > > > >> In programming languages, it's not so clear-cut. LISP dates back to > > >> 1958, > > >> and even then you could define your own control constructs within the > > >> language - the actual spec is VERY small. > > > >> C++ and derivatives (including Java, C#) broke from this, with > > >> higher-level constructs such as `for`, `switch` and `while` being deeply > > >> embedded at the library level and in the VM. Clojure, Scala and F# are > > >> once > > >> again pulling the pendulum back again to the small kernel, big libs idea > > >> (working with the VM as necessary), and LLVM is doing the same sort of > > >> thing > > >> at a lower level. For example, tail-call optimisation against the JVM is > > >> currently achieved through a technique known as "trampolining" ( > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail_recursion#Implementation_methods) > > > >> So perhaps with the shifting trends in languages, a lighter weight VM > > >> really is the right way to go, especially if VMKit & co. can be used to > > >> allow us to get at all those juicy open-source libs... > > > >> On 31 August 2010 13:25, Miroslav Pokorny > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >>> The reason Java became the most popular platform on the planet is > > >>> because > > >>> of all the oss libraries. Nothing out there beats or even comes close in > > >>> comparison. Good luck with such a richness of choice and quality in > > >>> dotnet > > >>> land. Maybe java is not quite as fancy as c# but in the end we are all > > >>> most > > >>> of the time just the guy who adds glue between one library and something > > >>> else. Maybe Java is a bit more verbose or not as elegant...but in the > > >>> end > > >>> that does not matter, because what we lose in elegance and language > > >>> features > > >>> is more than offseted by magnitudes with oss. > > > >>> -- > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>> Groups > > >>> "The Java Posse" group. > > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>> [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > >>> .com> > > >>> . > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>>http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > >> -- > > >> Kevin Wright > > > >> mail/google talk: [email protected] > > >> wave: [email protected] > > >> skype: kev.lee.wright > > >> twitter: @thecoda > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > >> "The Java Posse" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > >> .com> > > >> . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > Robert Casto > > >www.robertcasto.com > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > .com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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