Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner
to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that
in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress
toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content
at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
expectation of this committee that nothing will
happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony
confirming that the content currently in the
Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri?
Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such
testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on
Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John
Anonby: original link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main
dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other
dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the
figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map,
said "Lurestani" is the main area of
Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects
is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki
language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of
Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the
"Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh"
and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as
well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares
the example differences between these
languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning Western
Balochi, we need an outside scholar /
linguist / language expert for verification
purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was provided
by Mogoeilor, even he named the language
of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their
main page, and I didn't see that.
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
Yes.
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any and
all languages is that they have to have
an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a
language not a macro language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There is no such thing as they are a
resources of world's languages,
people are the resources and they
only maintainer code, the unified
codes that the world uses. Is there
any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?
On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
ISO-639-3. As such they are an
authority.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You're right, I can't trust a
self verification too, but what
do you expect me do to?, you
can probably find a lot of
trustable resources on the
Internet, I my self can't even
trust ethnologue, because I
found unuseful information on
it and I don't know where they
come from, at least in
Wikipedia, we have resources, I
didn't expect that from you.
On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Wikipedia is in this not an
authority. It has never been.
Again, self certification does
not work for me.. We have been
hurt by that before.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 00:03,
Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright then, that's
Northern Luri, fair
enough, I didn't have any
knowledge that there is a
southern dialect of it and
people of Kohgiluyeh and
Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj
speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but per English
wikipedia, they're
dialects of Northern Luri
which this wiki is written
in.
On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM,
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
It rather complicates
things... By the way self
certification is not a
good idea.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 24 April 2015 at
22:45, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes. 100%, as I live
Iran and I know some
parts of this
language, it is
definitely Luri.
Mohammad Mogoei
(User:Mogoeilor) the
most active user of
this project is from
Lorestan so
definitely he speaks
in this language
every day. In Iran
it's called Luri,
some people call it
Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the translation
for English, per this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the language should
be called Northern
Luri, but none of it
dialects are called
Luri, so I call it
Luri too. I have also
submitted and now
accepted a ticket to
CLDR to support this
language. Other
proposal of dialects
of this language like
Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because of
being a part of this
language. Also they
list of article I've
just provided are the
best of them as you
can see there are no
Persian words in them.
On 4/25/2015 12:37
AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
Hoi,
Do we have
confirmation that it
is indeed Luri ?
Thanks,
Gerard
On 24 April 2015 at
20:42, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hi,
I ask langcom
members for
approval of Luri
Wikipedia,
here are some
top articles I
could list, but
there are more
of them
1. استیو جابز
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve Jobs)
2. آلورت
انیشتین
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert
Einstein)
3. کلمبیا
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
(Colombia)
4. شهید چمران
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa
Chamran)
5. شایا عیلامی
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List of
rulers of Elam)
6. کارلوس
فوئنتس
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that this
project has
enough users and
most of
mediawiki
message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been translated.
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