If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he would not
be our preferred person to go to for verification. Verification should
be done by someone not connected to wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who
could look at the wiki articles through an unbiased lens.
And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we first
have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled all
requirements prior to the step of verification. I would hope that one of
the LangCom members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again for
computationally challenged folks like me.
Thanks,
Oliver
On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
See here
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>,
it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification.
On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet
only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz
(Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about Luri
languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it
seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he
has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia
under user name User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.
On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
requirements for leaving the incubator?
If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference?
I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference,
so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to
contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or
whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us.
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the
process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of
silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so
that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
expectation of this committee that nothing will happen
until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that
the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in
fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps
to secure such testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri:
How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original
link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown
west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the
main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these
dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki
language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3.
On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc)
dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects
and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri
[luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can
compares the example differences between these
languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we
need an outside scholar / linguist / language
expert for verification purposes. Any useful
bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was provided by
Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and
I didn't see that.
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
Yes.
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any and all
languages is that they have to have an
ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language
not a macro language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There is no such thing as they are a
resources of world's languages, people are
the resources and they only maintainer
code, the unified codes that the world
uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri
Wikipedia yet?
On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You're right, I can't trust a self
verification too, but what do you
expect me do to?, you can probably
find a lot of trustable resources on
the Internet, I my self can't even
trust ethnologue, because I found
unuseful information on it and I don't
know where they come from, at least in
Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't
expect that from you.
On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
Hoi,
Wikipedia is in this not an
authority. It has never been. Again,
self certification does not work for
me.. We have been hurt by that before.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright then, that's Northern
Luri, fair enough, I didn't have
any knowledge that there is a
southern dialect of it and people
of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi,
and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but per English
wikipedia, they're dialects of
Northern Luri which this wiki is
written in.
On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
It rather complicates things...
By the way self certification is
not a good idea.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes. 100%, as I live Iran
and I know some parts of
this language, it is
definitely Luri. Mohammad
Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the
most active user of this
project is from Lorestan so
definitely he speaks in this
language every day. In Iran
it's called Luri, some
people call it Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the translation for
English, per this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the language should be
called Northern Luri, but
none of it dialects are
called Luri, so I call it
Luri too. I have also
submitted and now accepted a
ticket to CLDR to support
this language. Other
proposal of dialects of this
language like Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because of being a
part of this language. Also
they list of article I've
just provided are the best
of them as you can see there
are no Persian words in them.
On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM,
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Do we have confirmation
that it is indeed Luri ?
Thanks,
Gerard
On 24 April 2015 at 20:42,
Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hi,
I ask langcom members
for approval of Luri
Wikipedia,
here are some top
articles I could list,
but there are more of them
1. استیو جابز
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve Jobs)
2. آلورت انیشتین
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert Einstein)
3. کلمبیا
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
(Colombia)
4. شهید چمران
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa Chamran)
5. شایا عیلامی
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List of rulers of
Elam)
6. کارلوس فوئنتس
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that this project
has enough users and
most of mediawiki
message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been translated.
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