Good luck with finding one "outsider".
On 5/1/2015 11:12 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
Idk, why you guys are ignoring then?
On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he would
not be our preferred person to go to for verification. Verification
should be done by someone not connected to wikipedia, i.e. an
outsider who could look at the wiki articles through an unbiased lens.
And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we
first have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled all
requirements prior to the step of verification. I would hope that one
of the LangCom members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again
for computationally challenged folks like me.
Thanks,
Oliver
On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
See here
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>,
it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification.
On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet
only written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz
(Persian: غلامرضا مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about Luri
languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it
seems like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he
has PhD, and he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia
under user name User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the
verification.
On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
requirements for leaving the incubator?
If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference?
I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics
conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd
be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify
Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so
for us.
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to
the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case
of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3,
so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
expectation of this committee that nothing will happen
until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming
that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia
is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any
steps to secure such testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on
Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby:
original link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown
west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is
the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on
these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands
for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the
figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern
Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari"
(bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad"
(Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to
#197 you can compares the example differences
between these languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi,
we need an outside scholar / linguist / language
expert for verification purposes. Any useful
bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was provided by
Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page,
and I didn't see that.
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
Yes.
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any and all
languages is that they have to have an
ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language
not a macro language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
There is no such thing as they are a
resources of world's languages, people
are the resources and they only
maintainer code, the unified codes that
the world uses. Is there any confirmation
of Luri Wikipedia yet?
On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You're right, I can't trust a self
verification too, but what do you
expect me do to?, you can probably
find a lot of trustable resources on
the Internet, I my self can't even
trust ethnologue, because I found
unuseful information on it and I
don't know where they come from, at
least in Wikipedia, we have
resources, I didn't expect that from
you.
On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Wikipedia is in this not an
authority. It has never been.
Again, self certification does not
work for me.. We have been hurt by
that before.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright then, that's Northern
Luri, fair enough, I didn't
have any knowledge that there
is a southern dialect of it and
people of Kohgiluyeh and
Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak
that, I only knew Lorestan, but
per English wikipedia, they're
dialects of Northern Luri which
this wiki is written in.
On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
It rather complicates
things... By the way self
certification is not a good idea.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 24 April 2015 at 22:45,
Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes. 100%, as I live Iran
and I know some parts of
this language, it is
definitely Luri. Mohammad
Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor)
the most active user of
this project is from
Lorestan so definitely he
speaks in this language
every day. In Iran it's
called Luri, some people
call it Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the translation for
English, per this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the language should be
called Northern Luri, but
none of it dialects are
called Luri, so I call it
Luri too. I have also
submitted and now accepted
a ticket to CLDR to
support this language.
Other proposal of dialects
of this language like
Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because of being a
part of this language.
Also they list of article
I've just provided are the
best of them as you can
see there are no Persian
words in them.
On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM,
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Do we have confirmation
that it is indeed Luri ?
Thanks,
Gerard
On 24 April 2015 at
20:42, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
I ask langcom members
for approval of Luri
Wikipedia,
here are some top
articles I could
list, but there are
more of them
1. استیو جابز
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve Jobs)
2. آلورت انیشتین
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert Einstein)
3. کلمبیا
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
(Colombia)
4. شهید چمران
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa Chamran)
5. شایا عیلامی
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List of rulers
of Elam)
6. کارلوس فوئنتس
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that this
project has enough
users and most of
mediawiki message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been translated.
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