Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the
process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of
silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that
it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until
Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the
content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact
Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to
secure such testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri:
How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original
link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect
and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of
Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west
of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main
area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects
is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language
(lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the
figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you
can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and
"Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz])
as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the
example differences between these languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we
need an outside scholar / linguist / language
expert for verification purposes. Any useful
bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was provided by
Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
didn't see that.
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
Yes.
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any and all
languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3
code and, that they are a language not a macro
language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There is no such thing as they are a
resources of world's languages, people are
the resources and they only maintainer code,
the unified codes that the world uses. Is
there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?
On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You're right, I can't trust a self
verification too, but what do you
expect me do to?, you can probably find
a lot of trustable resources on the
Internet, I my self can't even trust
ethnologue, because I found unuseful
information on it and I don't know
where they come from, at least in
Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't
expect that from you.
On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
Hoi,
Wikipedia is in this not an authority.
It has never been. Again, self
certification does not work for me..
We have been hurt by that before.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright then, that's Northern
Luri, fair enough, I didn't have
any knowledge that there is a
southern dialect of it and people
of Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and
Yasuj speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but per English
wikipedia, they're dialects of
Northern Luri which this wiki is
written in.
On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
It rather complicates things...
By the way self certification is
not a good idea.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and
I know some parts of this
language, it is definitely
Luri. Mohammad Mogoei
(User:Mogoeilor) the most
active user of this project
is from Lorestan so
definitely he speaks in this
language every day. In Iran
it's called Luri, some people
call it Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the translation for
English, per this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the language should be called
Northern Luri, but none of it
dialects are called Luri, so
I call it Luri too. I have
also submitted and now
accepted a ticket to CLDR to
support this language. Other
proposal of dialects of this
language like Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because of being a
part of this language. Also
they list of article I've
just provided are the best of
them as you can see there are
no Persian words in them.
On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Do we have confirmation that
it is indeed Luri ?
Thanks,
Gerard
On 24 April 2015 at 20:42,
Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hi,
I ask langcom members
for approval of Luri
Wikipedia,
here are some top
articles I could list,
but there are more of them
1. استیو جابز
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve Jobs)
2. آلورت انیشتین
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert Einstein)
3. کلمبیا
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
(Colombia)
4. شهید چمران
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa Chamran)
5. شایا عیلامی
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List of rulers of Elam)
6. کارلوس فوئنتس
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that this project
has enough users and
most of mediawiki
message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been translated.
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