Hoi, I am fine with it Gerard On 1 May 2015 at 20:52, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good luck with finding one "outsider". > > > On 5/1/2015 11:12 PM, Mjbmr wrote: > > Idk, why you guys are ignoring then? > > On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: > > If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he would not > be our preferred person to go to for verification. Verification should be > done by someone not connected to wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look > at the wiki articles through an unbiased lens. > And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we first > have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled all requirements > prior to the step of verification. I would hope that one of the LangCom > members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again for computationally > challenged folks like me. > > Thanks, > Oliver > > On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote: > > See here > <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>, > it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification. > > On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote: > > After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet only > written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا > مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about Luri > languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it seems > like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he has PhD, and > he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name > User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification. > > On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: > > Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the > requirements for leaving the incubator? > If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've > actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we > all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see > whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend > someone else to do so for us. > > Fwiw, > Oliver > > On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > > Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the > process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence > after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't > fall between the cracks? > > A. > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> We obviously discuss >> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all >> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already >> 3. if no, whom to contact. >> Then we contact people. >> >> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]>: >> >>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of >>> this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert >>> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri >>> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps >>> to secure such testimony? >>> >>> A. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many >>>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link >>>>> <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>, >>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the >>>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri >>>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said >>>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these >>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and >>>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri >>>>> (lrc) >>>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and >>>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can >>>>> compares the example differences between these languages. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside >>>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful >>>>> bona-fide contacts? >>>>> >>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This >>>>> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1> >>>>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the >>>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't >>>>> see that. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have >>>>> to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro >>>>> language. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's languages, >>>>>> people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the unified codes >>>>>> that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an >>>>>> authority. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do >>>>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable >>>>>>> resources on >>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found >>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at >>>>>>> least >>>>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, >>>>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that >>>>>>> before. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any >>>>>>>> knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of >>>>>>>> Kohgiluyeh >>>>>>>> and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per >>>>>>>> English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is >>>>>>>> written in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is >>>>>>>> not a good idea. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language, >>>>>>>>> it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most >>>>>>>>> active >>>>>>>>> user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this >>>>>>>>> language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it >>>>>>>>> Lurish >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish> >>>>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this >>>>>>>>> <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the >>>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are >>>>>>>>> called >>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a >>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects >>>>>>>>> of this >>>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari> >>>>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of >>>>>>>>> article >>>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no >>>>>>>>> Persian >>>>>>>>> words in them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Gerard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2> >>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86> >>>>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> ( >>>>>>>>>> Colombia) >>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86> >>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C> >>>>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3> >>>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Analysis >>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors> >>>>>>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki >>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has >>>>>>>>>> been translated. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Asaf Bartov >>> Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> >>> >>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share >>> in the sum of all knowledge. 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