Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks?
A. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote: > We obviously discuss > 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all > 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already > 3. if no, whom to contact. > Then we contact people. > > 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]>: > >> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this >> committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert >> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri >> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps >> to secure such testimony? >> >> A. >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hoi, >>> Reading an article does not make us an expert. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many >>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link >>>> <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>, >>>> you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the >>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri >>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said >>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these >>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and >>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) >>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and >>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can >>>> compares the example differences between these languages. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote: >>>> >>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside >>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful >>>> bona-fide contacts? >>>> >>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>> >>>> This >>>> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1> >>>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the >>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't >>>> see that. >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they have >>>> to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro >>>> language. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's languages, >>>>> people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the unified codes >>>>> that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an >>>>> authority. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do you >>>>>> expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable resources on >>>>>> the >>>>>> Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found unuseful >>>>>> information on it and I don't know where they come from, at least in >>>>>> Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again, self >>>>>> certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that before. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have any >>>>>>> knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of >>>>>>> Kohgiluyeh >>>>>>> and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew Lorestan, but per >>>>>>> English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this wiki is >>>>>>> written in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is >>>>>>> not a good idea. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this language, >>>>>>>> it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor) the most active >>>>>>>> user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks in this >>>>>>>> language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call it >>>>>>>> Lurish >>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish> >>>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this >>>>>>>> <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the >>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are >>>>>>>> called >>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a >>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects of >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari >>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari> >>>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of >>>>>>>> article >>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no >>>>>>>> Persian >>>>>>>> words in them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ? >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Gerard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of them >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2> >>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs) >>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86> >>>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein) >>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> ( >>>>>>>>> Colombia) >>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86> >>>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C> >>>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam) >>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3> >>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Analysis >>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors> >>>>>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki >>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has >>>>>>>>> been translated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing >>>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing >>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing >>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing >>>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Asaf Bartov >> Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> >> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the >> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >> https://donate.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org
_______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
