Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
requirements for leaving the incubator?
If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've
actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we
all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to
see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could
recommend someone else to do so for us.
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the
process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence
after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it
doesn't fall between the cracks?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We obviously discuss
1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
3. if no, whom to contact.
Then we contact people.
2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the
expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until
Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the
content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact
Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure
such testimony?
A.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hoi,
Reading an article does not make us an expert.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How
many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
<http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
you can see on the figure #2, said
"Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and
"Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri
(lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current
Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of
Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki"
on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and
"Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper
of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the
"Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and
"Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages
#186 to #197 you can compares the example differences
between these languages.
On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we
need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert
for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts?
On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
This
<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
is the list of top articles was provided by
Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this
wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
didn't see that.
On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
Yes.
On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
A longstanding requirement for any and all
languages is that they have to have an ISO-639-3
code and, that they are a language not a macro
language.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There is no such thing as they are a resources
of world's languages, people are the resources
and they only maintainer code, the unified
codes that the world uses. Is there any
confirmation of Luri Wikipedia yet?
On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Ethnologue is the maintainer of the
ISO-639-3. As such they are an authority.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
You're right, I can't trust a self
verification too, but what do you expect
me do to?, you can probably find a lot of
trustable resources on the Internet, I my
self can't even trust ethnologue, because
I found unuseful information on it and I
don't know where they come from, at least
in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't
expect that from you.
On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Wikipedia is in this not an authority.
It has never been. Again, self
certification does not work for me.. We
have been hurt by that before.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Alright then, that's Northern Luri,
fair enough, I didn't have any
knowledge that there is a southern
dialect of it and people of
Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and
Yasuj speak that, I only knew
Lorestan, but per English wikipedia,
they're dialects of Northern Luri
which this wiki is written in.
On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Check this out ...
http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
It rather complicates things... By
the way self certification is not a
good idea.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I
know some parts of this
language, it is definitely
Luri. Mohammad Mogoei
(User:Mogoeilor) the most
active user of this project is
from Lorestan so definitely he
speaks in this language every
day. In Iran it's called Luri,
some people call it Lurish
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
as the translation for English,
per this
<http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc>
the language should be called
Northern Luri, but none of it
dialects are called Luri, so I
call it Luri too. I have also
submitted and now accepted a
ticket to CLDR to support this
language. Other proposal of
dialects of this language like
Bakhtiari
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
failed because of being a part
of this language. Also they
list of article I've just
provided are the best of them
as you can see there are no
Persian words in them.
On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard
Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Do we have confirmation that
it is indeed Luri ?
Thanks,
Gerard
On 24 April 2015 at 20:42,
Mjbmr <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi,
I ask langcom members for
approval of Luri Wikipedia,
here are some top articles
I could list, but there
are more of them
1. استیو جابز
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
(Steve Jobs)
2. آلورت انیشتین
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
(Albert Einstein)
3. کلمبیا
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7>
(Colombia)
4. شهید چمران
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
(Mostafa Chamran)
5. شایا عیلامی
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
(List of rulers of Elam)
6. کارلوس فوئنتس
<http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
(Carlos Fuentes)
Analysis
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
shows that this project
has enough users and most
of mediawiki message
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
been translated.
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