On Sat, Dec 29, 2001, Nimrod Simba Carmi wrote about "Re: Care and Feeding of Stupids (was: Re: stupid me)": > > why would people care how much you're willing to pay? if they think it's > > too low (which i think it is, by far, but then i wouldn't consider this > > type of job for a myriad of other reasons) they simply shouldn't take > > it. > > Thats what I was thinking -- but than 90% of the programmers here replied > with flames, just for me even daring to offer something awefull as that !
Nimrod, most of these messages (especially the ones that appeared on the list) weren't flames, but rather people letting you know that your offer is *way* below what people would expect, and that you'll never get anybody from the list to work for you at these prices. But you didn't listen. And all these "mal'izim" were right, weren't they? You didn't get anyone from the list (or from Israel for that matter) to work for you. So please stop bitching about replies calling them "flames". If you don't want replies, then spam, don't write to an active mailing list. And the worst thing you can do is to dance on the blood of the other people on this list who were unfortunate enough to lose their jobs in the current economic downturn. Asking them to drop from a $30/hour secure job to a $14/hour freelancing job isn't easy. Some of them might do it eventually, but others might prefer to get other jobs where they'll at least do something useful - e.g., instead of writing code for a site that aims to cheat in schools, they might go and become teachers! > What does that have to do with anything? > I dont think that there's anyone in the world becides maybe very few people > wich worth 70$ an hour! Thats obviously a bubble price. You keep talking about "bubble prices". Say, do you have experience in hiring people by hour in other higly-educated and highly-trained people outside the "bubble" arena? How much does your lawyer take per hour? Your therapist? Your CPA (ro'e cheshbon)? A private doctor? Don't tell me they take $14 an hour.... A few years back, when I wasn't working in the computer area at all (so don't pin it on the "bubble" again), my employer charged clients for my time at around $70 an hour (of course, this included overhead, I got only a small fraction of this money). So while this is a really inflated rate, people do pay such a rate for highly trained workers doing very specialized work for them. Note that overhead is high. This $70 includes money to pay for the computers (that the freelancer has to buy out of his own money, and also books, software, fax machine, copier, etc.), office space (or cave, or whatever) to work in, electricity, internet and phone connection costs, managers and secretaries (or equivalently, if you work alone, "managerial and secreterial time" in which you act as your own manager and secretary, and (for example) go get new contracts, and you don't get paid for that time), and so on. -- Nadav Har'El | Saturday, Dec 29 2001, 14 Tevet 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |----------------------------------------- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Willpower: The ability to eat only one http://nadav.harel.org.il |salted peanut. ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
