Le 04/09/2013 05:57, Chris Johnston a écrit :
On 09/03/2013 04:20 PM, Jan Friberg wrote:
I'd love to see some discussion around this. The Ubuntu community has
always worked hard to be inclusive of all kinds of contributions,
Ubuntu Membership is open to everyone: artists, translators, folks
running Ubuntu events, everyone contributing anything to Ubuntu and
the community! In fact, developers have their own track to go through
to get developer access to the project and that's separate from
regular membership and only really adds on developer-specific
privileges. Is there something about the process for Ubuntu Membership
that translators find unfair, or do they feel like they don't qualify?
Beyond membership, do you have ideas on how to specifically gratify
translators?
Thanks for the feedback! :)
I think it's an attitude in the community, not only in Ubuntu but in the
Linux community in general. Developers and graphic artist has always
created cool stuff while translators just write what some one else
already written in another language.
So how do we make the translator to be a cool guy? I have no good ideas
yet, but we are thinking about it in my team.
About membership in general. I asked in our forum about how many was
applying for membership or thinking of starting to apply. So far 1
person has shown any interest.
I hate to say this. But the interest for Ubuntu and/or Linux is
declining fast in Sweden. And I see this even in my team.
Do you have any specific ideas for tools? Between the Ubuntu wiki,
mailing lists and loco.ubuntu.com <http://loco.ubuntu.com> the
California team hasn't felt a
huge need for our own website - all our website does is provide a
convenient URL for people to start off with, from there they are
linked off to the other pages, we don't actually host any content on
it. Makes it much easier to maintain and we don't have a major problem
if folks leave :) We also use social media a fair amount to get
announcements out beyond just our mailing list, the access to these
accounts is shared between a few trusted community members so no one
person has control of everything.
I do acknowledge that as an English-speaking team we have an advantage
here, our team doesn't need to host local support forums and similar
but I thought there were localized spaces for many of the LoCo tools
being provided already. If not, perhaps that's a good discussion to
have - what tools do non-English teams need in the community that are
currently not being internationalized? What steps need to be taken to
do a better job of providing these things? I've found Canonical to be
much easier to work with when you approach them with specific plans
that include needs and goals.
Ok, my team might be special and I don't know all the history behind it.
But we have our domain on a members private server. It host 1 drupal
portal, 1 forum, 2 wikis. Most informations in the wikis are outdated
about the year 2010, except comment fields that are daily filled with spam.
So what you describe with the California team is what I like us to be.
But the lack of guidance and rules made the team do some bad mistakes in
the start up.
A new team should get a rulebook that say; Use this tools first like
mailing lists, loco.ubuntu.com <http://loco.ubuntu.com>, wiki.ubuntu.com
<http://wiki.ubuntu.com> and if that is not enough to cover your need
you use this forum software with this style sheet, this portal software
with this style sheet and so on.
DO NOT INVENT YOUR OWN STUFF!
Then I can turn to another team and ask them question how to set up and
run things because they use the same tools as me.
People are eager to start up things in the beginning, but when the work
get overwhelming we end up with outdated information ans systems.
All of that information already exists.
http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/setup/
cJ
Hi,
This guide is a very good starting point to create a LoCoTeam and let it
know how to have tools and resources to organise the first members of
the team.
But these resources have some defaults. They are not for users.
- IRC : who use this old communication tool ? lot of people (young
ones, not technical ones) are not at ease with this tool. They join,
they ask something, they leave.
- Launchpad : well, it's a developer tool… not for users.
- Mailing Lists : like IRC, but a bit easier, people already know
emails can take time to have an answer. Lot of people don't understand
how mailing lists work and they think it's a newsletter.
- ubuntu forums : ok, that one is for users ;)
- wiki page : this wiki is for ubuntu teams, just for presentation,
and a bit of organisation.
And, of course, all of this is in english only… clearly not for foreign
language users.
LoCoTeams (and non-english ones in particular), when they grow, they
want to offer more to the users in their country. They need new tools
for that. And There is no guide, no resources, nothing to help them make
the right choices, to have some unity on the tools they use and the
templates.
Yes, I'm exaggerating a bit, there is some wiki page who talk about
these tools, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingWebsite .
Perhap's we can highlight this a bit more, creating a new page on the
loco portal or the wiki, something like "locoteam growth" presenting
some good practice on what tools they can add to help them :
- social network accounts, groups, pages to let users know what you
are doing, create events,…
- a team blog to talk about your activities and to have some static
pages on how to join the team or ubuntu teams and how to contribute
- if you want to do language support, start with a forum or an
askubuntu like tool, continue with a wiki if needed (harder to keep up
to date)
- if you have some bloggers talking about ubuntu, create a planet
- …
Philippe
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